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Posted: August 28 2020 at 16:27
2024 could very likely be Kamala vs Marco Rubio.
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Posted: August 28 2020 at 14:18
Apparently the DNC drew bigger TV numbers than the RNC. I think you can thank Kamala for that. Personally I think its great seeing some good looking youth among the other three dinosaurs. I'm old too, so I can say that.
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Posted: August 28 2020 at 11:53
If anything Trump is not Christ but the Antichrist. Let me quote 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4:
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,that
ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor
by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.Let
no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition;who
opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing
himself that he is God.
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Posted: August 27 2020 at 07:42
I am watching the reports from the RNC with rising horror. the most outrageous lies are being blatantly told by the Republicans; there is nothing they won't stoop down to, including massively rigging the upcoming election. the RNC very much reminds of an NSDAP-Parteitag. and the worst thing is that it appears to work; Trump's poll numbers are on the rise again.
at the same time we again have the police shooting a black man, seven times in the back in the presence of his children, and a 17 year old white vigilant who feels he has to help defending America by shooting people in the streets.
and all the while there is an out-of-control pandemic that is even made worse by the latest orders to the CDC.
what we are currently watching is a Republican coup in slow motion. I am not surprised by this at all; I predicted something like this would happen months ago. what I did not expect is the way the coup is being executed
Edited by BaldJean - August 27 2020 at 07:46
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Posted: August 26 2020 at 23:28
rushfan4 wrote:
My post was a joke. The Republicans are basically saying the kind of stuff that Saturday Night Live would make fun of them for saying. i.e. Donald has done a wonderful job defeating the Coronavirus....he has united Americans....etc....great comedy material.
Larry Kudlow talking about covid in past tense...as if it's gone. One wonders why then could the Republicans not hold the convention in a stadium with packed crowds if covid is over.
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Posted: August 26 2020 at 18:06
My post was a joke. The Republicans are basically saying the kind of stuff that Saturday Night Live would make fun of them for saying. i.e. Donald has done a wonderful job defeating the Coronavirus....he has united Americans....etc....great comedy material.
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Posted: August 26 2020 at 16:17
No, I haven't sen it, and sorry to change the subject, but:
Seven shots in the back? Who trains these people? Who on Earth thinks: OK, I've fired 5 or 6, but a couple more can't do any harm, surely. Just to make sure. Shame if the other rounds went to waste.
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Posted: August 24 2020 at 22:41
npjnpj wrote:
BaldFriede was describing a hypothetical, a concept, a theoretical example when she wrote about a truly non racist country not even registering race or gender.
Of course it doesn't survive when shoe-horned onto the present social climate of any country, but that's what seems to have happened.
The second thing she said, and I agree with her 100%, is that there is hardly any difference between someone like Fox News beating the racist drum and the BLM movement demonstrations in regard to always pushing and intensifying the racial divide question to the forefront of peoples' minds.
As long as people get their faces pushed in it all the time, it will always be there.
There is no evaluation attached to this, it's just stating a fact. That's how the human mind works. It's like being told not to think of the purple elephant, but in reverse.
Now that is just moving goalposts. Did some of the BLM protesters or supporters say anti-white stuff? Yup. Did they weaponize anti-racist rhetoric for their ends? Yup.
But what part of celebrating Kamala Harris as the first black woman on a VP ticket is anti-white or weaponizing anti-racist rhetoric? It isn't. Friede suggested Harris would find it hurtful to have her accomplishment linked to her race but Harris is the first to mention and proudly own her African-American heritage. And the black community had asked that Biden nominate a black woman as VP. They cannot speak for all black people but they were speaking for a very significant bloc within it. Having a black woman as VP is not going to solve everything but the thinking is at least having them in positions of power will gradually move the conversation around to an allocation of resources that's less harmful to poor minorities.
Consider here that Asians came to America long, long after black people and quickly rose up to 'model minority' status. The message clearly is racists have a particular problem with black people and are happy to do business with others. In such a scenario, a color blind rhetoric falls flat because America has had 200 years to learn to start treating black people as equals. When indeed a black person can be nominated to a VP or Presidential ticket with it being an uneventful affair is when we can say that the person's black identity has no significance and should not be played up. Note that Harris is half-Indian and married to a white man.
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Posted: August 24 2020 at 16:34
npjnpj wrote:
Already have.
Atavachron wrote:
^ Bollocks-- if true equality is just hypothetical and theoretical then why bother participating in history or discussing it at all. We're trying to actually move things forward in our time, and that's a rough business full of inequalities and setbacks all along the way.
Screw theory, and get serious.
Now this one is especially weird. Of course true equality is just hypothetical and theoretical. What else can it be? It doesn't exist and never has.
I don't know of any society in human history where equality has existed since the dawn of man. Even the smallest enclaves have been corrupted as soon as they interconnect with others. True equality seems to be against human nature, and only the strongest collectives manage to create the illusion of some slight equality, but the pressure working against it is so strong that it easily collapses. As we see under Trump right now. It takes tremendous and constant effort to fight these primal urges for supremacy over others and provide a society where the basest instincts are glossed over.
So personally I don't see that any true equality worth talking about will exist for generations, possibly ever. The fight for it is good though, because it tends to keep the worst excesses at bay, and I think that's the best we can hope for.
I used to think that upbringing and education might be a road forward, but regrettably that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems to be part of the genetic code.
I can only think of one circumstance where true equality might be reached in the far future, and that would be if the human race genetically intermingled to such an extent that there would only be one mixed race left. But even that wouldn't be true equality because what would it be equal to? There's only one left.
So then the human race would probably find something else to tear itself apart over.
I sincerely doubt it could be exactly defined what "true equality" is supposed to be; I am very certain it would be a case of "two people, three opinions".
^True equality will probably always elude us because you are always going to have the haves and have nots, rich and poor, leaders and followers, smart and not so smart, etc. However, that doesn't mean that in theory people can't be treated as equals but usually that's not what happens. We all have biases and opinions based on beliefs that have been shaped through the media, parental upbringing, peers etc. Even if some of that changed we just don't see people as equal because people are different and to some some of those differences make you better or worse depending on who you are.
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - August 24 2020 at 16:29
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Posted: August 24 2020 at 15:23
Already have.
Atavachron wrote:
^ Bollocks-- if true equality is just hypothetical and theoretical then why bother participating in history or discussing it at all. We're trying to actually move things forward in our time, and that's a rough business full of inequalities and setbacks all along the way.
Screw theory, and get serious.
Now this one is especially weird. Of course true equality is just hypothetical and theoretical. What else can it be? It doesn't exist and never has.
I don't know of any society in human history where equality has existed since the dawn of man. Even the smallest enclaves have been corrupted as soon as they interconnect with others. True equality seems to be against human nature, and only the strongest collectives manage to create the illusion of some slight equality, but the pressure working against it is so strong that it easily collapses. As we see under Trump right now. It takes tremendous and constant effort to fight these primal urges for supremacy over others and provide a society where the basest instincts are glossed over.
So personally I don't see that any true equality worth talking about will exist for generations, possibly ever. The fight for it is good though, because it tends to keep the worst excesses at bay, and I think that's the best we can hope for.
I used to think that upbringing and education might be a road forward, but regrettably that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems to be part of the genetic code.
I can only think of one circumstance where true equality might be reached in the far future, and that would be if the human race genetically intermingled to such an extent that there would only be one mixed race left. But even that wouldn't be true equality because what would it be equal to? There's only one left.
So then the human race would probably find something else to tear itself apart over.
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Posted: August 24 2020 at 14:26
Atavachron wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
This is absolutely astonishing. BaldFriede's point is absolutely clear, and yet it's as if her thoughts seem to be so alien to others, that they're not even able to grasp the basic concept of what she's saying. How can this be?
How can you possibly not understand that in a truly equal society things like race and gender would go completely unnoticed and not even be worth mentioning?
Is this concept really so strange to you that you can't understand it?
Again, not strange or alien at all, it's just that neither of you seem to have a grasp of American reality. You don't just sit back and hope the world sees the good & right in human equality and hope for the best. You have to exercise those ideas proactively. You have to act.
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Posted: August 24 2020 at 14:26
^ Bollocks-- if true equality is just hypothetical and theoretical then why bother participating in history or discussing it at all. We're trying to actually move things forward in our time, and that's a rough business full of inequalities and setbacks all along the way.
Screw theory, and get serious.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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