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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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In through the out Door?


yes

An excellent album IMO. I remember waiting for the album to hit the stores, I bought a cassette first, ohh wait maybe an 8-track, regardless I have a few formats.
Those 4 songs are amazing.....It's fun to think about where the catalog, music writing would have gone to as a group. Although I do think there would have been a big pause as Plant was thinking a solo career, one can only wonder what lied ahead for the Hammer of the Gods.

My remark was not meant to be a question about the album. I only wanted to mention it was left out but was interrupted by dinner. When I finally posted it I was not aware someone else had already mentioned it.


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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^ Yes, really! I've been out and bought a whole load of Led Zeppelin studio albums on CD in the last couple of months. Here's what I have so far:-
 
Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin II
Led Zeppelin IV
Houses of the Holy
Physical Graffiti (2 CD's)
 
Mothership (2 CD's)
The Very Best of Led Zeppelin - Early Days/Latter Days (2 CD's)
The Song Remains the Same (2 CD's)
Led Zeppelin Remasters (2 CD's)
 
Fourteen CD's in total. Smile
Your only 45+ yrs behind the 8-ball and probably 800 gazillion plays behind me.....Unless your 10yrs old, doubt you catch up. SmileTongueWinkCryLOLClap
It's not bad going considering I didn't have any Led Zeppelin albums this time last year. Smile
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

In through the out Door?


yes

An excellent album IMO. I remember waiting for the album to hit the stores, I bought a cassette first, ohh wait maybe an 8-track, regardless I have a few formats.
Those 4 songs are amazing.....It's fun to think about where the catalog, music writing would have gone to as a group. Although I do think there would have been a big pause as Plant was thinking a solo career, one can only wonder what lied ahead for the Hammer of the Gods.

My remark was not meant to be a question about the album. I only wanted to mention it was left out but was interrupted by dinner. When I finally posted it I was not aware someone else had already mentioned it.
I don't care about that......what did u eat for dinner???? I need ideas for tonight
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I'm kind of surprised that solo artists better known as band members are doing so well, Hackett, Hammill, Wakeman Gilmour ahead of more pure solo artists.
I believe prog listeners prefer more bands than solo artists. If Harper would had been in some prog band, really I believe he would be much more listened than he is now. On the other hand I donīt think Ayers is very popular among proglisteners (not as popular as Wyatt), although been in Soft Machine.

very dubious. at least Friede and I don't think so
Well, look at the PA:s top 100 list. There are 3 albums by Frank Zappa, 3 by Miles Davis, 2 by Steven Wilson, 1 by Mike Oldfield, 1 by Peter Hammill, 1 by Robert Wyatt, 1 by Steve Hackett, 1 by Bill Cobham & 1 by Al Di Meola. Rest are bands. And that list comes mostly for the ratings from PA listeners.

and what exactly does that prove? in my opinion only that many people become aware of the names of many musicians first because they come across a band that they were in at some time. I know it was so with me. there was a band I liked, and when I became aware that some member of a band made a solo album I went and bought it too.

an indicator for that is that the two solo artists of whom there are 3 albums in the top 100 are not best known for being in a certain band but because of their solo work
6 albums in 100 albums from solo artists that havenīt been in a known band and that doesnīt prove anything? You have to also remember that Frank had Mothers of Invention in the begin of his career, yes he was a dictator of that band, but I donīt believe he would get as famous in the sixties without his excellent band.

Anyway no use to continue this, you have always had your own truths than no-one can change.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I'm kind of surprised that solo artists better known as band members are doing so well, Hackett, Hammill, Wakeman Gilmour ahead of more pure solo artists.
I believe prog listeners prefer more bands than solo artists. If Harper would had been in some prog band, really I believe he would be much more listened than he is now. On the other hand I donīt think Ayers is very popular among proglisteners (not as popular as Wyatt), although been in Soft Machine.

very dubious. at least Friede and I don't think so
Well, look at the PA:s top 100 list. There are 3 albums by Frank Zappa, 3 by Miles Davis, 2 by Steven Wilson, 1 by Mike Oldfield, 1 by Peter Hammill, 1 by Robert Wyatt, 1 by Steve Hackett, 1 by Bill Cobham & 1 by Al Di Meola. Rest are bands. And that list comes mostly for the ratings from PA listeners.

and what exactly does that prove? in my opinion only that many people become aware of the names of many musicians first because they come across a band that they were in at some time. I know it was so with me. there was a band I liked, and when I became aware that some member of a band made a solo album I went and bought it too.

an indicator for that is that the two solo artists of whom there are 3 albums in the top 100 are not best known for being in a certain band but because of their solo work
6 albums in 100 albums from solo artists that havenīt been in a known band and that doesnīt prove anything? You have to also remember that Frank had Mothers of Invention in the begin of his career, yes he was a dictator of that band, but I donīt believe he would get as famous in the sixties without his excellent band.

Anyway no use to continue this, you have always had your own truths than no-one can change.

I have to agree with Jean; it doesn't prove anything. To make it mean anything you would have to make a census how many albums there are by bands and how many by solo artists and put the numbers into relation. Have you done that?


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There are a lot of co called 'bands' that are really solo projects. John Mitchell (Frost, Arena etc) said in an interview that record companies prefer to market rock albums by 'bands' rather than 'solo artist'. My point is that there are probably more than a few bands that are really solo projects (ie The Tangent (Andy Tillson) , Lonely Robot (John Mitchell) , *Frost (Jem Godfrey) etc.
This may extend even back to the seventies. In my opinion there is no one more talented than Bill Nelson . For Be Bop Deluxe he wrote most of the songs as well as singing and playing lead guitar . The line up changed many times but by strange coincidence (or not) he always remained! How was this a real band?!
I guess we need a third category that falls between bands and solo artists.
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^ Ayreon (Arjen Lucassen) is generally regarded as a solo artist, but could also be considered as a band too, because there's a large band of guest vocalists featured in each of his albums, so he would probably fall into your third category, being somewhere between a solo artist and a band. Smile

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ Ayreon (Arjen Lucassen) is generally regarded as a solo artist, but could also be considered as a band too, because there's a large band of guest vocalists featured in each of his albums, so he would probably fall into your third category, being somewhere between a solo artist and a band. Smile

I see Ayreon as a band, not a solo artist. 
Actually Arjen released music under his full name. That is a solo album then. Big smile

I wanted to add Chroma key to my list but thought it does not fit the criteria for this list. Chroma Key is Kevin Moore's project/band, at least the first two albums have some session musicians so it still feels like a band, I don't know. 
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^ Even a solo artist usually has a band behind them, unless you're Mike Oldfield. Smile
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^ Even a solo artist usually has a band behind them, unless you're Mike Oldfield. Smile

yes, but Kevin Moore released music under a band name - Chroma Key. If it was under his own name, than it would be a solo artist. See my confusion? ConfusedLOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

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^ Even a solo artist usually has a band behind them, unless you're Mike Oldfield. Smile

yes, but Kevin Moore released music under a band name - Chroma Key. If it was under his own name, than it would be a solo artist. See my confusion? ConfusedLOL
Yes, it's a Land of Confusion, to quote Genesis. Smile
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2. John McLaughlin
1. Ryuichi Sakamoto
7. Brian Eno
3. Pat Metheny
8. Steven Wilson
13. Olga Podgaiskaja
5. David Sylvian
10. Toby Driver
4. Klaus Schulze
9. Peter Gabriel
6. Kate Bush
14. Reine Fiske
11. Jeff Beck
12. Todd Rundgren



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^ Are you trying to send me into a Land of Confusion with your bizarre numbers listing? Smile

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Hey Psychedelic Paul, I didn't mean to put Steven Wilson as my number 1...
I just put all my top solo artists in random order...
I meant for Steve Hackett to be number 1. 
As if I would put Wilson above Hackett.
Can I relegate Wilson to like, number 7?
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^ Sure thing. I've deducted 20 points from Steven Wilson and added 20 points to Steve Hackett, which now puts him in poll position. Thumbs Up
 
 
1. Steve Hackett (233 points)
2. Peter Gabriel (224 points)
3. Steven Wilson (184 points)
4. Frank Zappa (175 points)
5. Mike Oldfield (134 points)
6. Kate Bush (132 points)
7. Peter Hammill (109 points)
8. David Gilmour (96 points)
9. David Bowie (86 points)
9. Rick Wakeman (86 points)
9. Jimi Hendrix (86 points)
 
12. Vangelis (56 points)
13. Roy Harper (54 points)
14. Jeff Beck (53 points) 
14. Jon Anderson (53 points)
16. Neal Morse (52 points)
17. Roger Waters (50 points)
18. Allan Holdsworth (46 points)
19. Robert Wyatt (44 points)
20. Klaus Schulze (38 points)
 
21. Robert Fripp (35 points)
22. Richard Wright (33 points)
23. Steve Hillage (31 points)
24. Bo Hansson (30 points)
24. Holger Czukay (30 points)
24. Plini (30 points)
24. Captain Beefheart (30 points)
28. Al Di Meola (27 points)
29. Bill Bruford (24 points)
30. Carlos Santana (23 points)
 
31. David Sylvian (21 points)
31. Pekka Pohjola (21 Points) 
33. Alex Carpani (20 points)
33. Jean-Luc Ponty (20 points)
33. Tim Smith (20 points)
36. Chris Squire (18 points)
37. Fred Frith (16 points)


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Oldfield, by a very long way....

Hackett
Waters
Wilson
Wakeman
Vangelis
Gilmour
Bush
Banks
Gabriel


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Latest update with EssexBoyinWales votes added:-
 
1. Steve Hackett (253 points)
2. Peter Gabriel (226 points)
3. Steven Wilson (196 points)
4. Frank Zappa (175 points)
5. Mike Oldfield (164 points)
6. Kate Bush (136 points)
7. Peter Hammill (109 points)
8. David Gilmour (101 points)
9. Rick Wakeman (96 points)
10. David Bowie (86 points)
10. Jimi Hendrix (86 points)
 
12. Roger Waters (65 points)
13. Vangelis (62 points)
14. Roy Harper (54 points)
15. Jeff Beck (53 points) 
15. Jon Anderson (53 points)
17. Neal Morse (52 points)
18. Allan Holdsworth (46 points)
19. Robert Wyatt (44 points)
20. Klaus Schulze (38 points)
 
21. Robert Fripp (35 points)
22. Richard Wright (33 points)
23. Steve Hillage (31 points)
24. Bo Hansson (30 points)
24. Holger Czukay (30 points)
24. Plini (30 points)
24. Captain Beefheart (30 points)
28. Al Di Meola (27 points)
29. Bill Bruford (24 points)
30. Carlos Santana (23 points)
 
31. David Sylvian (21 points)
31. Pekka Pohjola (21 Points) 
33. Alex Carpani (20 points)
33. Jean-Luc Ponty (20 points)
33. Tim Smith (20 points)
36. Chris Squire (18 points)
37. Fred Frith (16 points)


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Recently I find a lot of SHackett's music quite non-engaging, especially the past few albums. To me they were like soundtracks to the next Lord of the Rings movie, they are all very dark albums and I find I am really not a fan of his singing. A lot of his albums just have too much melancholy themes, slow paced I guess is a way to put it.
His catalog is huge, so there is enough for me to pick and choose from, the early records are done really well and no doubt his massive guitar skills and innovative technique is not to be dissed. But his reserved attitude plays into the music sometimes......I kinda liken his music to Uli Jon Roth, when he left Scorpions his music became celestial, very cool for 1-2 records but the whole catalog is tough. 
Should have included Uli Jon Roth in my list.....
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Recently I find a lot of SHackett's music quite non-engaging, especially the past few albums. To me they were like soundtracks to the next Lord of the Rings movie, they are all very dark albums and I find I am really not a fan of his singing. A lot of his albums just have too much melancholy themes, slow paced I guess is a way to put it.
His catalog is huge, so there is enough for me to pick and choose from, the early records are done really well and no doubt his massive guitar skills and innovative technique is not to be dissed. But his reserved attitude plays into the music sometimes......I kinda liken his music to Uli Jon Roth, when he left Scorpions his music became celestial, very cool for 1-2 records but the whole catalog is tough. 
Should have included Uli Jon Roth in my list.....
Steve Hackett's latest album "At the Edge of Light" is one of my 5-star favourites. Thumbs Up
 
I wonder if Cristi is going to disagree with me about that album too. Wink
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Recently I find a lot of SHackett's music quite non-engaging, especially the past few albums. To me they were like soundtracks to the next Lord of the Rings movie, they are all very dark albums and I find I am really not a fan of his singing. A lot of his albums just have too much melancholy themes, slow paced I guess is a way to put it.
His catalog is huge, so there is enough for me to pick and choose from, the early records are done really well and no doubt his massive guitar skills and innovative technique is not to be dissed. But his reserved attitude plays into the music sometimes......I kinda liken his music to Uli Jon Roth, when he left Scorpions his music became celestial, very cool for 1-2 records but the whole catalog is tough. 
Should have included Uli Jon Roth in my list.....
Steve Hackett's latest album "At the Edge of Light" is one of my 5-star favourites. Thumbs Up
 
I wonder if Cristi is going to disagree with me about that album too. Wink

so you're not picking on me you say... 
I found the last Hackett album to be rather meh... 
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