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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I'm hearing the ABWH album for the very first time today and it was an instant hit with me, despite lacking the distinctive sound of Chris Squire's thunderous bass lines. Smile

Really? Interesting. I got the album when it was new, and it was pretty exciting at the time. I still like it a lot. It's good "B+" album. The concert was outstanding! They opened with solos in lieu of group, and I got to experience Rick Wakeman's keyboard wizardry "live without a net" for the first time ever. 

The night I saw them, Tony Levin was ill. Jeff Berlin stood in!
Yes, it's surprising that it took me 31 years to finally get around to listening to the ABWH album for the first time and I've still yet to hear the Union and Keys to Ascension albums. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 08:34
I may as well chime in here...I don't love or hate ABWH album, I find it enjoyable. Some tunes, as mentioned (Teakbois) don't live up the level of song writing I'd hoped for. But then again I really like the Big Generator album, although I realize it's a completely different band then ABWH.

As for the 80's drum sound comments, I guess you need to put it in context. It was the sound being utilized by lots of bands. New technologies, new engineers/producers. It defined the era in many ways. But Bruford certainly took them to a level beyond the pop association. I saw them in concert in Toronto and his drum solo was absolutely sublime. He did for 'Electronic Drums' what Carl Palmer did for 'Synthesized Drums'.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

......Heaven and Earth is better than Union, and I like Union, I just ignore the fact that 197 people tampered with the recording / mix......
 
Heaven & Earth was a much better album than I was expecting when I heard it for the first time last week. I just hope the Union album turns out to better than expected too. Smile
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......Heaven and Earth is better than Union, and I like Union, I just ignore the fact that 197 people tampered with the recording / mix......
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That's the first time I've ever heard Yes perform a Reggae song. Smile
 
It's not as bad as their attempt on Caribbean music on the awful "Teakbois".
 
Yes, "Teakbois" does sound like it could have been a Kid Creole & the Coconuts song, although I must admit, I did quite enjoy its happy Caribbean vibe. I think Yes were deliberately sending themselves up with that choice of song, because "Teakbois" contains the lyrics "Cool Running", which was also the name of the comedy movie about the Jamaican bobsleigh team. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 05:04
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

That's the first time I've ever heard Yes perform a Reggae song. Smile
 
It's not as bad as their attempt on Caribbean music on the awful "Teakbois".
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2020 at 04:19
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

 
Ultimate Classic Rock ranked Union worst in its list of Yes albums, so that doesn't bode well for the album when I eventually get around to listening to it for the first time. Dead

you know UCR are just as subjective as anyone else, just listen to the album and figure things out for yourself. 

I can think of 4 Yes albums I find less interesting than Union, so there you go... 


You're right. I'll try not to be unduly influenced by Ultimate Classic Rock's Yes album rankings, although I may be unduly influenced by what you said about the "Onion" album earlier in this thread. Wink
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

 
Ultimate Classic Rock ranked Union worst in its list of Yes albums, so that doesn't bode well for the album when I eventually get around to listening to it for the first time. Dead

you know UCR are just as subjective as anyone else, just listen to the album and figure things out for yourself. 

I can think of 4 Yes albums I find less interesting than Union, so there you go... 


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^ Just goes to show how much attention I pay to that song - and I’m usually a stickler for details (except when posting via ipod).
Teakbois is equally hideous, though I guess they had fun with it whilst recording in Montserrat.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

For me, it's mostly Birthright that I love. Brother of mine is also wonderful... for the first half of the song. And Fist of Fire is enjoyable enough. Too bad to learn that the session musicians use started on this album, and not only Union... but I guess I can just listen to the versions on An Evening of Yes Music (though that means no Tony Levin... though then I could listen to Live at the NEC, but that means lesser sound quality).
Birthright - absolutely. Love side 1 for sure, but the 2nd side I can live without.
Union, on the other hand, I really like most of it, except Saving Your Love, which is hideous.
 
You realise I just HAVE to listen to the song now. Wink
 
I couldn't find the "Saving Your Love" song on YouTube until I realised it's actually calling "Saving My Heart" Confused
 
That's the first time I've ever heard Yes perform a Reggae song. Smile
 
Ultimate Classic Rock ranked Union worst in its list of Yes albums, so that doesn't bode well for the album when I eventually get around to listening to it for the first time. Dead
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

For me, it's mostly Birthright that I love. Brother of mine is also wonderful... for the first half of the song. And Fist of Fire is enjoyable enough. Too bad to learn that the session musicians use started on this album, and not only Union... but I guess I can just listen to the versions on An Evening of Yes Music (though that means no Tony Levin... though then I could listen to Live at the NEC, but that means lesser sound quality).
Birthright - absolutely. Love side 1 for sure, but the 2nd side I can live without.
Union, on the other hand, I really like most of it, except Saving Your Love, which is hideous.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

ABWH was not released as a Yes album because no Squire, no Yes. 

This album never did much for me and I've tried. Big smile

Correct!

Also, same Cool.

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I bought the cassette back in the late 80s but I didn’t like it back then. I remember having to shell out for it, too, and then being rather disappointed. I imagine I was probably expecting something like Asia or GTR. However, I really need to go back and listen to it again, as my tastes have changed quite a bit since those days. I came to appreciate the more organic nature of the early Yes sound after my little band covered a couple of their tunes back in the early 90s.   It’s funny. I don’t really recall the songs off of this album with great clarity, but I imagine that the album is probably a throwback to their earlier sound. Since so many people have posted great things about it here, I’ll have to give it another listen ... after probably 30 years.
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For me, it's mostly Birthright that I love. Brother of mine is also wonderful... for the first half of the song. And Fist of Fire is enjoyable enough. Too bad to learn that the session musicians use started on this album, and not only Union... but I guess I can just listen to the versions on An Evening of Yes Music (though that means no Tony Levin... though then I could listen to Live at the NEC, but that means lesser sound quality).
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Big fan of the album. I think if I were to rate it I'd give it a 4 out of 5 80's production and all. I agree it hasn't aged well as far as the drum sound but I still couldn't give it less than four stars. Brother of mine alone is one of the best Yes or Yes related things they have done.
 
I gave the ABWH album four stars too and Brother of Mine is also one of my favourite Yessongs, even though my real-life brother prefers Britney Spears to Yes. Smile
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Big fan of the album. I think if I were to rate it I'd give it a 4 out of 5 80's production and all. I agree it hasn't aged well as far as the drum sound but I still couldn't give it less than four stars. Brother of mine alone is one of the best Yes or Yes related things they have done.
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Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Too many lightweight moments (the concert with Jeff Berlin was excellent though).
It's the lightweight moments I enjoy the most on the album, especially "Brother of Mine" Smile
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Too many lightweight moments (the concert with Jeff Berlin was excellent though).
"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2020 at 10:32
^ Well, the "Onion" album has a bad reputation with Rick Wakeman, that's for sure. Tongue
 
I'm easy to please, so I think you're probably right when you say I'll enjoy the album more than you do. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2020 at 09:47
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Superb album, and it was hearing Bruford’s drum sound that convinced Anderson he should be part of the project.

It is a real shame that Union marked the end of this collaboration, because this album showed huge potential. As usual, the egos got in the way.
I've yet to hear the Union album, but I really enjoyed seeing the eight-member Yes Union tour recently, so I hope the album lives up to the promise of the tour.  Smile

spoiler alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it does not... LOL
Awww. You burst my bubble now, when I was so much looking forward to hearing Rick Wakeman's self-proclaimed "Onion" album for the first time. Wink

like you didn't know the album has a bad reputation. 
It's got a few good songs on it, I think you'll enjoy it more than I do. 
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