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Interactive Poll 14 ~ It's The Guys Turn This Time |
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Raff 
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 Posted: July 29 2020 at 12:41 |
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I want to apologize to everyone, but I think this time I am not going to nominate anything. Unfortunately, this kind of style is not my cup of tea, and after a while when I was listening everything started to blur together. I also believe that anything not in English is not of real interest here, even with a translation available. Additionally, I have been feeling down on the forum (and most other things) in the past few weeks. There are some people who annoy me, and I always have the impression that what I have to say doesn't interest anyone.
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 13:28 |
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I am sorry you feel that way, I have found your nominees of interest and your discussions thoughtful throughout these polls. However I do understand the need to break from things like this. I certainly would never have heard some of these non-English songs and find them of interest (even though sometimes the translations are tricky). On the other hand, some genres just don't work for some people and I understand that as well. I do hope you'll join in again at some point, I've enjoyed getting to know you better through these.
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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Lewian
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 15:02 |
I'm very sorry to read this. Of course it's your decision, but I value your contributions very highly. As I wrote, for me this is (as the others) about the magic in the music, and the one that has given me most magic up to now was one that *you* of all people have nominated! Also what you have to say definitely does interest me. Here's a thought. As a lecturer I sometimes get frustrated when I see what some students do in their exams, and I feel that either they don't listen to me, don't engage with the material, or that it's me, I don't explain things well enough, and therefore they don't get it. But of course that's a terrible generalisation. Many students actually learn something from what I teach, and sometimes, maybe one in a hundred students gets something very special from me. I once taught a mathematics student in a statistics course. He wasn't probably the best mathematician and was maybe starting to get frustrated by his studies. But he was good in statistics, and not only that, he did some things that I found very insightful and special for a student of the second year. So I told him, I'm impressed by what you did here; I believe you have some proper insight and talent for this. Years later he told me that this was the moment when he decided to take on a career as a statistician, and he has never looked back. The baseline is, if one in one hundred people gets something really worthwhile out of what you are saying, it isn't wasted, it is something really valuable. There are always many who aren't interested, but at the end of the day that's not what counts. What counts is the special moments. (I have at least three albums that I value highly because you recommended them at some point!) OK, now you do what you want, but don't say nobody listens!
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 18:59 |
Well, here there is the cream of Italian singer-sonwriters. De Andrè and Guccini are the fathers, Antonello Venditti and Francesco De Gregori are the sons, two of the most appreciated sons. Ok, everybody know my passion for Guccini, but I love De André with the same intensity. Last year I have seen in concert PFM, they sang the songs by De André, especially the songs taken from La Buona Novella. But Franz Di Cioccio isn't as charismatic as Fabrizio De Andrè. Anyway, there two jewels here: Il testamento di Tito and La canzone dei dodici mesi. Edited by jamesbaldwin - August 02 2020 at 09:10 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:06 |
I am very glad to read this words... as you can see, a singer-songwriter with talent can produce excellent lyrics accompanied with an excellent music. I am very happy that now, thanks to my and raff's contribution, Francesco Guccini is no longer an author unknown to the members of Pa, but an appreciated singer-songwriter.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:10 |
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@Micky
I like especially - Kris Kristofferson's song - John Denver's song. @Nicky Excellent songs. I like especially Shindell's song. @Logan hmmm I suspect you are a fan of Nick Drake and Cat Stevens...! Excellent songs. Trouble is the second time you propose it, and in fact it is very well done, fragile, vulnerable, then it grows and in my opinion it has the only flaw that ends too quickly on a musical level, but he had said everything about the lyrics. Edited by jamesbaldwin - July 29 2020 at 19:17 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:28 |
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I prefer Boudewijn de Groot, very good.
But... why the Dutch singer of this group reminds me of Dave Cousins of the Strawbs?
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:45 |
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:49 |
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Ooooh, 3 new ones for people! Thank you for contributing!
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 19:54 |
Also glad you enjoyed Richard Shindell. That entire LP is outstanding, several of the songs on it and also a few from other recordings all wanted to be nominated. But I settled for something most people have experienced and his thoughtful treatment of the subject. Quite the poet, he often has double meanings to his lyrics. Edited by Snicolette - July 29 2020 at 19:56 |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 20:37 |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 20:41 |
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I’ll nominate my left-field hero Jandek
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 20:51 |
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Thank you for contributing....I always love to read your "what you listened to," lists.
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mathman0806
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 21:24 |
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@Raff: I am sorry you feel this way, but I do understand. I am not so much into the singer songwriter genre, and as I was going through the selections, I was also feeling a certain degree of sameness. That said, I enjoyed your selections, particularly the Guccini song without having read a translation. And in general, there is a different vibe with most of the non-English songs. Much of my enjoyment in music is just the sounds and I generally don't pay much attention to lyrics. Currently, most of my listening is in the background as it is because I have been busy with work, so lyrics tend to be a distractions. For me, lyrics work best as 'impressions' so usually full stories don't necessarily work for me. I do wonder if I can fairly evaluate a selection on how it is in the singer songwriter genre, or I would most likely evaluate the song from the music and sounds, so not so much the lyrical content.
In a somewhat related note, many of these selections seem quite introspective or serious. I guess that is what should be expected though Nickie welcomed humor and novelty. To that end, breaking the rules in having already put up three songs, I am tossing out a few more selections, but with humor and novelty. Of course, the irony is that lyrics is key in humorous selections. First up, is Tom Lehrer. I think his two best known songs are"Masochism Tango" and "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park", so I'll skip those two. And go with something more appropriate with my occupation and forum moniker, "New Math". The first part is a spoken intro, but he does get into some singing with an accurate solution to a subtraction problem (both in base ten in the New Math style and then in base 8!). Then, I should add, its hard to find some of favorites without some off color language. But, I am keeping this clean. Usually, not clean, is Tim Minchin. Some of his stuff would fit in with the Do You Believe in the Afterlife thread. In particular, "Ten Foot Cock and 100 Virgins". So, here is his love song "You Grew on Me". Finally, Steve Martin. I think most here would know he's a very talented banjo player and he has won a Grammy for best bluegrass. This one is fun. |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 21:32 |
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Tom Lehrer! Awesome!
New Math is an old favorite. |
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 21:43 |
 And Steve Martin, yes wonderful musician, author, comedian. A true Renaissance man.
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 29 2020 at 22:06 |
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More thoughts on Lewian's and George's and also new to the fray, The Dark Elf & HolyMoly:
Lewian: Blumfeld,
“Eintragung ins Nichts” (a zen entry, in other words, not an entry, but wanted
to share). Pretty upbeat, despite the
fact that it’s sort of about there’s nothing we can really do about our
existence, in some ways (other than enjoy it, hopefully). Good mover, as I would say, catchy. George: Tom Lehrer “New Math” He was so hilarious! And right on, too. 😊 Tim Minchin “You Grew On Me” I love funny songs! And so relatable, falling for the wrong person. We’ve all done it, most likely. I know I have. Steve Martin “Late for School” We carried him on our buses, thanks to our lead driver, Jack Lapp. Class act on all levels. Loved hearing the dogs barking in the song. Sounds like one of those nightmares about school. The Dark Elf: John Prine “Paradise” Wonderful song by a true American original. Jim Croce “Time In A Bottle,” such a sad story with him, he was poised so perfectly in those times and died so young. Prescient, that he wrote this beautiful song. Son McLean “Vincent.” Another gorgeous song, telling the story of Vincent Van Gogh. I know all three of these, but I’m old! I hope that others discover these gems because you posted them here. Holy Moly: Jandek “Down In A Mirror” Wow! A spooky song! The guitar kind of almost off key and so fitting for the ambience this guy is creating. Great atmosphere, well done. |
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Lewian
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Posted: July 30 2020 at 08:01 |
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Here's another one I love. Martyn Bates: First and Last of February. |
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 30 2020 at 08:18 |
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Additional music added by
Lewian: . Martyn Bates “First and Last of February” Very
different feel to this one, the production has a sort of psych wash of sound
going on, will be looking into more of his music.
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 30 2020 at 08:25 |
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A reminder to all that I will craft the poll for voting tomorrow, please get any new nominees in today if you can and also make your final selection of your choice for the poll and let me know.
List of Contributors So Far (if I only use your forum name and you'd like me to use your real name, let me know for certain what that name is, sorry, my brain only seems capable of learning one or two a day from the aliases). You may want to just quote this post and add your nominee when you are ready, I'll add in to here from regular posts with final nominees if that is easier for you, as well. Nickie Richard Shindell "Wisteria" Logan (Greg): Nick
Drake “Fruit Tree” Scott: Bob
Seger “Glenn Song” George: Mark
Eitzel “If You Have to Ask” Meltdowner (Sam) "Jorge Palma - Estrela do Mar" Lewian Surfjan
Stevens “Should Have Known Better” Lorenzo: Francesco
De Gregori “Rumore di niente” Mike: Fred
Eaglesmith “Soda Machine” Micky: John
Denver “Season Suite” Suitkees: Lluis Llach's L'Estaca The Dark Elf (Greg): Holy Moly Cristi: Frankie
Miller “With You In Mind” Dr Wu2: Elliott
Smith “Miss Misery” Edited by Snicolette - August 02 2020 at 08:02 |
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Raff wrote:
. However, not all the songs I have selected are acoustic, though the electric component is not overwhelming. I am sure Lorenzo will approve of my choices