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Logan
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Awesome with the playlist and love hearing the alternates.
Already shared my thoughts on the music and there is so much great stuff, but these five are so very, very strong for me. - Bruno Pernadas - Spaceway 70. I absolutely adore this -- it's so my bag, Ilove the jazzy tropica qualities and playfulness. Luminous. For sheer enjoyment, it's likely my favourite of the series. It brightened my day. So fresh - A Filetta, Paolo Fresu, Daniele di Bonaventura - I vostri sguardi. A very remarkable piece of music. Amazing. I knew that would be a top one as soon as I heard it. Definitely one of my very favourites of the series. I absolutely love it. - Dvar - Gyandarvaal. Again, I pretty much knew this would be in my top three as soon as I heard it. Love it. It does remind me of Pierre Henry and Urban Sax as said. I love it. It wowed me. - Diethelm/Famulari - Portrait. I loved it and again it is really remarkable. It also wowed me. - Mahk Jchi - Heartbeat Drum Song. Listening again, the wondrous nature of this hit me hard. I love it. It's so hard, and I can't make a final decision yet. At first I thought that Portrait while almost there might not quite make it, but having listened again my decision became much harder.. The fact that I want to listen to it again and again has to mean something. Loving it more and more. And utterly wowed by it. Third play now. Oh yeah, that's the stuff. And then listening to Mahk Jchi again, ahhh, too good. Fabulous. Holding off, those five are just way too dang good and each wowed me in its own way. Wish I could vote for five. All five of those are favourites of mine, and the more I listen the more I love them. I think I have achieved music Nirvana, and I don't mean the band. I feel too passionately about those five to choose but three at this time, and maybe ever. All five are favourites of mine this series. EDIT: okay, even though all five of those winners and I didn't want to vote for only three, those are the rules and so I went with the first three that I mentioned in this post. There really was so much very good for me music this round. Thanks for a great round. Edited by Logan - July 25 2020 at 20:51 |
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Great, thanks!
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Re Diethelm/Famulari: I'm happy that some of you like this so much... I think if I had to nominate my favourite 3 seconds keyboard part ever, I'd go for what Santino Famulari does between 0:43-0:46 of that track (and later again). These three seconds alone already justify this track being among my all-time favourites.
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indeed.. your input will definitely be missed ... but take care of the better half first .. we'll still be around when you come back.
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thanks! Didn't have much time to listen or contribute this time around so this really helps.
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suitkees
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OK, let's go! My take on these surprises. First of all, many thanks for having put up this thread. It was really fun reading and listening (and watching) the different suggestions and has led to some real surprises for me. I will first give some personal comments on the long list (all the songs put up here) before getting to the short list and my votes. Starting with two bad surprises that made me run like hell as fast as I could, screaming for help (Oh, well, I may exaggerate a bit...): - Opus III : this kind of music never was and never will be my thing - but she has beautiful eyes ; - Carmen, with Bulerias : strange they weren't expelled before getting on stage. It sounded to me like a very bad executed parody of what flamenco prog could be, but I must admit that the horrendous sound quality of the video probably didn't do them a favor. (Maybe later, when I grow up, I will give it a try again when I find a good quality recording of their stuff...) That leaves many good surprises! First, a special mention for three very funny clips (most surprising videos): I must admit that I only discovered the Detachable Penis clip while looking for the song on youtube to put it up here. I have two King Missile albums that I play with much pleasure every once in a while, but I had never seen this MTV-clip. The two other very funny clips are the harp and bagpipe torture films by respectively Joanna Newsom (very well crafted musique concrète soundtrack, btw) and Eels. Thanks for making me discover them. The good surprises, musically speaking. from the longlist: I will stick to what have been for me really good surprises that I discovered thanks to this thread. Otherwise, Air, The Steve Miller Band, Pierre Henry and some others would have ended up high on my final list. The real surprises, and discoveries, for me were the acoustic versions of Born in the USA (I only knew the big hit album version) - it really becomes a wonderful song, this way, what was for me just a mainstream rock song before - and especially The Comet is Coming - for me the biggest discovery here and I will certainly explore more of this band. Now, the shortlist and my votes: You understood that Carmen will not get one. Many pleasant listens regarding the others, but as said, my votes will not go to the songs that I have or have heard before (or that were no real musical surprises). So no Air, Mark Ronson, Dee-Lite, Steve Miller Band, Beautiful People, Leonard Cohen, Neil Diamond nor A-Ha. - Diethelm/Famulari was a nice discovery, I really enjoyed it but musically it was not very surprising to me - I won't necessarily run to the record shop to get their album... but maybe buy it some day, just out of curiosity to hear the rest. - Dvar, nice to discover too - a kind of Michael Nyman meets Jean-Michel Jarre. But a bit too much Jarre for me. - A vostri sguardi by A Filetta, Fresu and di Bonaventura: very beautiful but a bit too subdued to me. Youtube was geo-blocked for me but I found the album on deezer and listened to a couple of other tracks which confirmed the subdued or even ambient quality of it. I attended to a couple of polyphony performances in Portugal and France, and it may be for me something more to see and hear live than listen to at home. So, how many have we got left ? Three ? Then my votes go to : - Robbie Robertson and Ulali with Mahk Jchi. Very beautiful modern take on a traditional. Really like it very much and it is a nice discovery, and thus surprise. - Bruno Pernadas with Spaceway 70: Yes, this really gets you on the way. Very good and pleasant listen. The biggest surprise wasn't it for... ...oh damn, I only got two left. Heck. My biggest discovery and surprise, as I said above, was The Comet is Coming... ...so I give a second chance, and thus my third vote, finally to: - Diethelm/Famulari with Portrait (as soon as I receive the 100 € check you promised me ) Many thanks to all. Again it was fun to read, listen, watch, discover and be surprised ! Edit: Oh yes, of course: the third one was Detachable Penis, but I'm not allowed to vote for that. Must have been the pastis... Well, despite all the nonsense, my votes are sincere. Cheers !
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Snicolette
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Very glad you enjoyed that. There is an associated story, when I worked at The Village Recorder, Robbie had an office there. The whole studio were invited to his album release party, which was also held at The Village. I was sitting there with a glass of champagne, listening to Robbie and people-watching, while the music was playing. THEN. This piece came on and I just had to get up and ask Robbie what this was and he told me, he was touched that I enjoyed such a meaningful piece that he'd included in this recording. Thanks for joining in, too, your selection was very funny, still laughing at the humour in it. Will be interested to hear what you bring forth next time.
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Thanks for sharing this story. Must be great to share this kind of moments with those who create!
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Upon reflection, a recap of my Contenders of Surprise Surprise and the almost
impossible decision of the Top Three.
This one was the most difficult yet and I think it may well have covered
the widest range of music of any of the polls.
Kudos once again to Lewian and Lorenzo, for this one in particular and
the original concept.
Lewian: Diethelm “Famulari – Portrait” Really intriguing mix, the sound itself is
almost like it’s being suppressed (not like compressed, however), sort of like
it’s being played in a room down the corridor from the listener. It is more upbeat than what usually makes me
stop everything, but I certainly think it IS surprising, in one of your senses
of describing how you mean this poll to be approached. What is really surprising is that I don’t
immediately know how I feel about it, so it will draw me back, probably a few
times. The Anders: Dvar-Deii
CD2 01 “Gyandarvaal” Love the slow build
of the organ beginning the piece. There
is a feeling of psychedelic circus (in a good way) to me as the song picks up
with the calliope sounds. Then sort of a
maniacal elfin voice comes in, cheeping and chattering, ending abruptly. Did someone stumble on their party in the
dark woods, forcing them to disappear? Lorenzo: A Filetta Danse Mémoire, Danse “I vostri squardi” (nomination)
Very brooding and lush. Gorgeous harmonies
(as should be expected from your description), and I love when the horn comes
in, it is suitably mournful. Micky: Mark Ronson “Uptown Funk” Not usually in what might be thought of as in
my oeuvre, but this is very infectious, and I did grow up listening to a lot of
funk and soul music, which my mom adored.
Logan: Air “Radian”
Very hypnotic and eerie, both.
Nice harp, horn and flute sounds, where it gets less eerie, but still
outstanding, then moves into some other strange territory. Wowie zowie, really enjoyed that! Honourable Mentions to Moshkito
& George: Carmen “Bularias” I was fortunate to see this band live as
opener for Jethro Tull at The Forum in 1975.
They indeed had their amplified stage floor for the flamenco dancing
part of their show. John Glascock (who
was in Carmen at this time) joined Jethro Tull after Carmen disbanded, his
romantic partner, Angela Allen, was the flamenco dancer/band member. Rock and flamenco go quite well
together. Special thanks to George for
posting the live video. It was really
fun to revisit this, so had to give credit for that, even though it’s
technically outside of my personal voting rules. and Ian: The Comet Is Coming
“Summon the Fire” Really groovin’ sax
playing, that guy is a star. Even though
this was not your top choice to use here, I really enjoyed the heck out of this
one. My Top Three, after careful
consideration and much wavering: 1.
Logan’s
pick, Air “Radian.” I could not get this
out of my mind’s ear. 2.
Lewian’s
pick Diethelm “Famulari – Portrait.”
Another one that stayed in my mind,
I really enjoyed that strange production with the distance it created. 3.
A BIG fight between Micky’s “Uptown Funk,” by
Mark Ronson and Lorenzo’s A Filetta
Danse Mémoire, Danse “I vostri squardi”
Two VERY unlike pieces to each other.
How to pick, do I like beer or sparkling water better? Which soul do I go to, funky soul or inner
soul? But in the end, my funky soul won,
partly because it is a less obvious choice for me, unless you knew the above,
how much funk and soul was played in my home, especially by my mom, who loved
to dance. So “Uptown Funk,” it is. Sorry, Lorenzo, yours is absolutely beautiful
and what I will lean to searching out more of.
I don’t dance, but like my mom, I enjoy a bit of fun with all of the
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I have to admit that I felt a bit lost with this particular poll. Maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy these days but other than the Detachable Penis song I can't say that I really felt surprised by any of these songs. Part of it might be a case of "you just had to be there" and part of it being a case of not really being familiar with the other artists, so it is hard to be surprised if the songs sound completely unlike anything else they have done.
A bit of a backstory to my Neil Diamond suggestion is that many years ago I got into my dad's record collection and happened to play the Jonathan Livingston Seagull album. I was familiar with Neil Diamond at that point in my life, and while I liked his singing and songs I can't say that I was much of a fan at that time. After all, I was listening to Motley Crue and Twisted Sister at this point in my life. At any rate, when I played this album, I guess that I was surprised at the orchestral arrangements on this album. It just wasn't what I was expecting to hear from him. In my older years, I've actually seen Neil Diamond live 4 or 5 times now, and even brought my parents to see him on one occasion. As to the other songs listed, I will just make some general comments. I like the first song listed: Portrait. I think as with many of these threads, the OP's post tends to hit the mark closest to what they are expecting to hear. It is actually a pretty good song, and a lot of music coming from just a duo. I do have the Air-Radian album in my collection so won't vote on that. I want to thank Micky and Raff for helping me revisit my wedding attendance nightmares. Is there anybody else out there that hates attending weddings because of the music that they play these days for people to dance to. Those are actually two of the better songs that I heard at a most recent wedding (pre-Covid). I am a Steve Miller Band fan (not to be confused with Trump's Steve Miller, Racist snake numero uno), and you managed to find a song from him that I was not familiar with. It was pretty good, but I didn't really feel surprised. The Beautiful People song made me think of Jimi Hendrix for the singing, more than the playing. The Leonard Cohen song actually reminded me a bit of Bob Dylan. I enjoyed the a-ha song, but other than one or two hits I'm not familiar with them so it didn't have a surprise factor for me. At any rate, my vote goes to the King Missile song from which I liked the music and was surprised at how bad the lyrics were but that it actually wasn't that bad...maybe it is the juvenile teen boy that still lives inside me trying to get out.
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So I voted for Diethelm/Famulari and Steve Miller Band for the reasons I stated before. I wouldn't normally vote on something I already knew but voted for Air because it managed to surprise me again If I hadn't listened to that Dee-Lite more recently I'd probably give it my vote. Also, I think I'd go for "I Vostri Sguardi" if I was in a different mood. Just like I can spend a few months without wanting to listen to Prog Electronic and then it's all I want to hear (I'm in the former mood now). Honourable mention to King Missile for being surprisingly funny The Comet Is Coming was one of the best discoveries from last year, thanks to the Tiny Desk concert. I already knew the early Bee Gees music, I don't find it fascinating but at least it didn't ruin a music genre I thought it had passed enough time since the Uptown Funk fever but I still can't listen to it. It's a fine song but was everywhere five years ago. Same for Daft Punk's Get Lucky
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You are such an expert listener that you can make me find something new to appreciate about a track that I have probably heard hundreds of times. I think it once crossed my mind that something is strange about the production, but you mention it as a major feature and that makes me listen to it differently, thanks! By the way, the whole Valleys in my Head album where this can be found is totally awesome; unfortunately quite a bit better then everything else they or one of them have recorded that I know (I may not know it all but the Valleys in my Head album made me check out the majority of what they have).
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By the way, sorry to mention this now after some of you have already voted (it is in the introduction though), my idea was that tracks are nominated that surprised the nominator, but that doesn't mean that you need to vote on what surprised you most. Obviously you can if you want, but you might as well just vote for the one you like most, even if its surprise factor for you is by a value of 0.79 below the surprising top three.
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Oh that would be a pity. It would just become another best of... I think the surprisiness-level can be an important factor to value too.
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Oh gee, *blush* I definitely notice production values, and do not count against older ways of recording (in fact, often find that superior to modern techniques, it certainly did used to take considerable skill compared to now). Most of the time, production values are just a matter of the equipment, the producer and the musicianship, but in this case, it truly seemed a deliberate choice to me, to choose to make it sound this way, it was one of the charms of the entire piece, almost another instrument. I think that perhaps this is one of the reasons why we can listen to the same piece of music over and over, because there IS more to discover than hear it once and toss it. Or can be, ideally, anyway . I will definitely look up the whole album and thank you for widening my horizons with it.
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no bagel there for him. I figured my choice was going to for sure Yeah I grew up on that stuff as well... both of my parents had highly eclectic.. yet very different tastes (as well as personalities haha). My mom was heavy into motown and 70's funk. She also was the one to push me into playing music and bought me my first bass guitar. For some more attuned to popular music I can see the overload oversaturation with that song like Samuel mentioned but I've been living here and earlier prog sites before this for my discoveries for the last nearly 20 year and paid very very little attention to what has been going on outside the progressive side of modern music.. so when one of my friends got funky with some Graham Central Station I was playing at work one day a couple of years ago he said.. hey Micky... check this out. And damn right it surprised me.. and loved it immediately. anyhow.. got a good listen in today thanks to Raff... I'll take one more tomorrow and do up my votes and misc thoughts.
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Have to say, it's a surprise to say the least to see "Uptown Funk" nominated in a poll on Progarchives of all places. "Groove Is In the Heart" I knew in advance too of course.
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I know this will shock you, but even though I knew the name of the song, since you can't avoid some things, I'd actually not heard it before. I've paid no attention to hit radio since the early 90's and don't frequent anywhere that you would hear it. So I was surprised by it being as good as it was. Quite infectious and made me smile.
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