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micky 
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 Posted: July 11 2020 at 06:51 |
and speaking of ol' Tucker...
don't forget he gave big hell yeah's to 'Liz Warren... no not over Health Care.. but what she got into the race for.. and sadly forgot..
the evils of those corporations... whose loyalty is not to America.. workers.. only their bottom lines.
what some forget.. is this is an issue that both left and right can agree on. Why Trump had appeal to some on the left.. and Warren/Sanders would have on the right (to the non bigoted racist that is).
Biden's move is a smart one.. he is a politician and lest we forget what politicans do. and SHOULD DO. Bend and sway with the wind.. Remember. They are public servants.. they serve US
This country is moving left. .and getting f**king tired of dying and being laid off..played for fools like many Republicans have.. crumbs. while the big cats get filthy rich... while Wall Street plays its games. That disconnect being Wall Street and Main Street was known by most .. but in the backs of their minds.. Covid19 has brought it out front and center.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 11 2020 at 06:40 |
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Blake Neff, the lead writer for Fox's Tucker Carlson, resigned from his job after he was exposed by CNN for writing racist blog comments under a pseudonym. What a surprise.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 11 2020 at 05:25 |
 Catcher10 wrote:
SteveG wrote:
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Joe Biden~Made In America Campaign
I suppose if you can't beat'em, join'em......LOL |
yeah, but Joe says that he's going to take care of the workers this time, not the corporations. If he remembers. |
Who do you think hires the workers??...... |
The corporations are hiring cheap outsourced labor from poorer countries and bringing them to America to replace American workers. The Republicans will never tell you that.
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Posted: July 10 2020 at 23:27 |
^^^ This was the plank that got Trump elected, though. And this is where Biden is showing more smartness than Hillary, in spite of his problems in articulating what he wants to say. His instincts are sounder, politically. Even in the Primary, he intentionally made a point about Thurmond and Eastland to horrify the Left. From where even after the best efforts of the Left to drag him to where they wanted him to, he is still sufficiently in the middle. Had he started off at a point where he agreed with them on everything to appease them, he would be supporting blowing up Mt Rushmore today.
This is not especially a surprise as he is a politician and she is a wonk. It's why he should have run in 2016, but oh well...
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 10 2020 at 23:15 |
SteveG wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Joe Biden~Made In America Campaign
I suppose if you can't beat'em, join'em......LOL |
yeah, but Joe says that he's going to take care of the workers this time, not the corporations. If he remembers. |
Who do you think hires the workers??......Maybe he's going to make us all self employed so he can take care of us and give us health care and retirement benefits and do away with the corporations. Not sure if that would be a horror movie or a comedy.... 
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SteveG
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Posted: July 10 2020 at 11:16 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Joe Biden~Made In America Campaign
I suppose if you can't beat'em, join'em......LOL |
yeah, but Joe says that he's going to take care of the workers this time, not the corporations. If he remembers.
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Posted: July 10 2020 at 10:16 |
Joe Biden~Made In America Campaign
I suppose if you can't beat'em, join'em......LOL
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micky
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 14:02 |
SteveG wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
So as the Trump tax returns can can now be handed to the Justice Department, i.e. William Barr, that's that then.
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No, they're being handed over to the NY state AG -- state, not feds. Barr can't do a thing about it. Trump cannot get a pardon, cannot get prosecution waived, and Barr can't try to replace the attorney, because he has no jurisdiction on state matters. |
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no.. just the Federal prosecutors in NYC that apparently have Trump over a barrel...thus all the chatter about DOJ guidelines regarding indicted and procesuting a sitting President. It was well before what he was actually impeached for Biden/Ukraine and you did note that none of that made it into the impeachment itself. The Feds were holding on to that for their own case.. not a political sh*t show dog and pony show in which politics.. not the law would be what he was judged upon.
That was news years ago that went into the collective memory black hole since they couldn't do anything with it at the time. Couldn't do a thing due to not being able to prosecute a sitting President while in office. Anyone remember Gov. Blagojevich... Feds get a hard on for taking down hard and making examples of corrupt politicians who abuse their office and the public trust.
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 14:01 |
SDNY district attorney Geoffrey Berman has just been fired a few days ago and replaced with Trump golf buddy Jay Clayton, and Christie buddy Craig Carpenito while coincidentally handling the Michael Cohen affair.
Now for the Manhattan district attorney's office and Cyrus Vance. The Sky's the limit.
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micky
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 13:44 |
whole new series of polls out today... by one of the most respected pollster out there. I predicted a 7 seat flip in the Senate.That seems a good over under but might have been underestimated just how pissed off people are with Trump... and those that enabled him. It is probably too late for those like Ernst to NOW turn against Trump's divisive and racist rhetoric.. where were you for 3 1/2 years. They didn't reign him in when they could have. They could gain as many as 10 seats in not what would be a wave election. but what some are calling a potential blue tsumami.
and yeah.. most surprisingly.. wiping out most of the Republican women Senators. guilt by association I suppose. It ain't what is between your legs.. but who actually stands for women and what they care for.
substantial leads in Arizona, Maine. Colorado. Those were most likely to flip..but what comes is showing now is the potential for a down ballot landslide
leading in...
Montana, Iowa, North Carolina, Loeffner's seat in Georgia,
within margin of errors.. ie toss ups...
Alabama, Texas, Kansas, and Perdue's seat in Gerogia., and surprise surprise.. Alaska
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SteveG
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 12:56 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
So as the Trump tax returns can can now be handed to the Justice Department, i.e. William Barr, that's that then.
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No, they're being handed over to the NY state AG -- state, not feds. Barr can't do a thing about it. Trump cannot get a pardon, cannot get prosecution waived, and Barr can't try to replace the attorney, because he has no jurisdiction on state matters. |
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 12:53 |
npjnpj wrote:
So as the Trump tax returns can can now be handed to the Justice Department, i.e. William Barr, that's that then.
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No, they're being handed over to the NY state AG -- state, not feds. Barr can't do a thing about it. Trump cannot get a pardon, cannot get prosecution waived, and Barr can't try to replace the attorney, because he has no jurisdiction on state matters.
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 12:23 |
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So as the Trump tax returns can can now be handed to the Justice Department, i.e. William Barr, that's that then.
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 11:53 |
Huh...imagine that. The Supreme Court reaffirmed that no man is above the law. I feel like the peasant woman rummaging through the mud in Monty Python's Holy Grail, who stated matter-of-factly, "We don't have a lord."
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SteveG
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 11:02 |
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One problem there is when someone apologizes for having said something instead of having thought it, and he or she most likely still does. In a lot of cases that is blatantly obvious.
Another point is that we're caught in a vicious circle. We're calling out racist behavior and comments (which is good), but at the same time we thereby call attention to that it's happening and possibly making it worse, because we're calling a lot of attention to it instead of trying to create a world where such a thing should not be crossing anyone's mind. On the other hand, if we keep quiet, it'll make it worse because people would think they can say such things without repercussions. How do you win that?
Third thing: hateful behavior is is taught and not naturally inherent, so the educators (parents and teachers) must behave in such a way as to avoid passing on such despicable thoughts. As at the moment such behavior is deeply ingrained in society, so a change is still generations away. It's been an ongoing process for decades now and if anything, it's getting worse in all western countries. So not only would we need to start at the beginning again, but also from a much lower starting point. Only education and upbringing can be the solution here, and I'm pretty sure Betsy DeVos could be doing more than she is at the moment.
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I absolutely agree that behaviors are taught when we're young. These negative traits become a kind of "normal" behavior in a child's mind that when once placed there they remain for life. A very hard problem arises when we wish to change someone's life long perceptions of other people.
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 10:40 |
One problem there is when someone apologizes for having said something instead of having thought it, and he or she most likely still does. In a lot of cases that is blatantly obvious.
Another point is that we're caught in a vicious circle. We're calling out racist behavior and comments (which is good), but at the same time we thereby call attention to that it's happening and possibly making it worse, because we're calling a lot of attention to it instead of trying to create a world where such a thing should not be crossing anyone's mind. On the other hand, if we keep quiet, it'll make it worse because people would think they can say such things without repercussions. How do you win that?
Third thing: hateful behavior is is taught and not naturally inherent, so the educators (parents and teachers) must behave in such a way as to avoid passing on such despicable thoughts. As at the moment such behavior is deeply ingrained in society, so a change is still generations away. It's been an ongoing process for decades now and if anything, it's getting worse in all western countries. So not only would we need to start at the beginning again, but also from a much lower starting point. Only education and upbringing can be the solution here, and I'm pretty sure Betsy DeVos could be doing more than she is at the moment.
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 10:11 |
Personally I totally feel the ambivalence... both the anger at racist, sexist and fascist stuff that some people say, and the concern about political correctness going much too far, stifling free speech...
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SteveG
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 09:34 |
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Agreed. Whatever happened to apologizing for an offence, being forgiven and moving on. I guess that went out when Trump came in. Another "new normal" that we have to try to live with..
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 09:28 |
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Yes Madan, that's kind of my crazy point. At least having a record of acceptable words and phrases of a past date could get one of the cancelled people off the hook. Hopefully. |
Agreed. Or maybe corporations can go back to due process. If people are given the opportunity to at least step back and contextualise what they said, and if it is felt that there is nowhere where it doesn't cause offence, just delete the tweet and apologize. What I find frightening is the notion that an apology is not enough and a person doesn't deserve a second chance EVEN where clearly no offence was implied. Why does firing the person have to be the only solution. If somebody has a habit of say, saying the N word and then apologising and deleting, have a three strikes rule or something for that and then cut them out. By all means punish a malafide offender. But there are so many practical ways to navigate this issue that it seems unfortunately, people won't consider.
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SteveG
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Posted: July 09 2020 at 09:17 |
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Yes Madan, that's kind of my crazy point. At least having a record of acceptable words and phrases of a past date could get one of the cancelled people off the hook. Hopefully.
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