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Easy Money 
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 Posted: July 03 2020 at 09:57 |
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It would have been nice if the Republicans had picked a better candidate. I could probably list hundreds that would have handled Covid better than the hollywood TV star.
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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micky
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 09:51 |
and we have him.. which is the point you miss.. the national mood of which we are merely a part of..
anyone but Trump...
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 09:37 |
Not interested in all the banter (there are 263 pages of it to look thru).....you guys just need to find another candidate, that's all.
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micky
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 09:08 |
 The Dark Elf wrote:
You vote for this sociopathic c*cksucker, you are an accomplice to murder.
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El Paso man...
and if not a racist.. something worse.. an enabler of racists through your dishonesty stupidity and ignorance
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 08:48 |
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Hear hear and amen to that, too, Dark Elf
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 08:33 |
micky wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Biden's press thing was like eating a truck load of lettuce....totally void of calories, no substance at all, just the normal political wishy washy pretty talk.God when Biden smiles its so fake, like "jeez they actually believe me??"
Please find another candidate dems.... |
what I think you fail to recognize is that is exactly what ...umm.. about 60% of America wants right now..
not Biden specifically... but a return to normal....
what is interesting however may not be a return to the old normal.. ie a President acting like one and leading this country.. but a real shift from the imperial Presidency, in which Trump has exposed all the evils of that, a not just a rebalancing of power but perhaps a real shift to where Congress .. not the President... leads the country through crafting its priorities and its policies.
to be blunt.. it won't be as much we will be electing Biden to be President. .but electing the hands down smartest and most savy poltician and policy maker in DC to be in charge.. Nancy Pelosi. The right has tried to make her some sort of boogyman.. didn't work in 2018.. isn't and won't work in 2020. It could well be what I semi joked about earlier..
Sleepy Joe .. just wake him up long enough to sign the bills that the Democratic controlled House and Senate pass
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The thing that short-sighted people do not understand: it's not just Joe Biden, it's his appointments. It's taking the EPA away from the coal and fossil fuel lobbyists who are currently running the agency into the ground, and returning the clean air and water regulations back to what every other president since Nixon (and yes, Nixon actually founded the EPA) has protected. It's eliminating Betsy DeVos from the Department of Education and her own self-interest in collecting on student loan debt and her allowing fraudulent colleges (like the former Trump University) to skate from the penalty of law. It's about disbarring William Barr and removing him as war-time consigliere for Don Trumpeleone, and bringing back "Justice" rather than "Just Us" to the legal system. It's about returning all the scientists, doctors and qualified researchers to posts across the federal government who left because of Trump's anti-intellectual, anti-science crusade of imbecility. It's about returning independent Inspector Generals who were fired because Trump's criminality could not take the scrutiny. It's about eliminating all the unqualified idiots and dupes from embassies and intelligence departments who were put there by Trump not because of their qualifications, but because they were Trump donors and sycophants, because both the State department and intelligence agencies have begun to crumble under Trump.
We have an alleged president who so badly bungled a pandemic that the European Union has opened up travel to nearly every other country...except the U.S. How embarrassing is that for a country that was once the world leader in medical research? Trump has damaged our alliances across the world, and world leaders are laughing at the inept clown, and by extension, we as Americans. And now it certainly looks like Trump knew about Putin paying bounties to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan, and it is evident he is lying about it. Trump cares more for Confederate statues than he does the lives of our troops. He cares more about his re-election than he does offering a united strategy to stop a pandemic that has killed 130,000 people and is continuing to escalate out of control.
You vote for this sociopathic c*cksucker, you are an accomplice to murder.
Edited by The Dark Elf - July 03 2020 at 08:40
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 08:28 |
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Hear hear, to both Micky's and Raff's posts.
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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micky
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 08:27 |
it goes back to what I had mentioned earlier... that fear of 2016.. the view that some hold that pollling blew 2016 which it did not. It merely did not recognize that even though Killery did lead it wasn't just NOT a large lead but was a uninspired one. Ie.. generic preference in 2016 between Dem and Repub was nearly dead even.
2020 is much different.. first Biden's lead is far far beyond any polling error.. and more importantly.. that generic lean.. is not dead even.. it is +12 Dem. No one is kidding themselves that people are excited and motivated to vote FOR Biden.. but what they are motivated to vote against Trump. So in teh grand scehem of things.. it makes no difference.. in fact.. it probably gives Trump less chance because any slip ups by Biden.. simply won't matter for that is not why people are motivated to get out and vote. The enthusiasm is not for Biden.. but to see Trump out. and once the pile of sh*t has been removed from the carpet.. we can worry about replacing the carpet.
as has been noted.. should be understood by most.. there is going to one hell of a mess to clean up after Trump.. and the Virus. It will be Congress.. not Biden.. that leads the recovery.
Edited by micky - July 03 2020 at 08:32
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 08:13 |
micky wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Biden's press thing was like eating a truck load of lettuce....totally void of calories, no substance at all, just the normal political wishy washy pretty talk.God when Biden smiles its so fake, like "jeez they actually believe me??"
Please find another candidate dems.... |
what I think you fail to recognize is that is exactly what ...umm.. about 60% of America wants right now..
not Biden specifically... but a return to normal....
what is interesting however may not be a return to the old normal.. ie a President acting like one and leading this country.. but a real shift from the imperial Presidency, in which Trump has exposed all the evils of that, a not just a rebalancing of power but perhaps a real shift to where Congress .. not the President... leads the country through crafting its priorities and its policies.
to be blunt.. it won't be as much we will be electing Biden to be President. .but electing the hands down smartest and most savy poltician and policy maker in DC to be in charge.. Nancy Pelosi. The right has tried to make her some sort of boogyman.. didn't work in 2018.. isn't and won't work in 2020. It could well be what I semi joked about earlier..
Sleepy Joe .. just wake him up long enough to pass the bills that the Democratic controlled House and Senate pass
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As a half-outside, half-inside observer (I live in the US, but am not a citizen, nor do I intend to become one), I find myself in agreement with this assessment. Reading the news every day has become quite exhausting, as well as confusing. In the current situation - with a pandemic still raging, and very little idea of how it may develop in the next few weeks/months - people feel the need of someone who makes cool-headed decisions, rather than being subjected to an endless stream of Twitter rants. This is, I believe, the reason why so many people in Italy approve of our Prime Minister's handling of the COVID crisis: he took things into his own hands, making some mistakes, but eventually managing to bring the pandemic under control. If Salvini (the leader of the right-wing Lega party) had been in charge, our situation would be much more similar to what we are seeing here in the US.
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micky
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Posted: July 03 2020 at 07:59 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Biden's press thing was like eating a truck load of lettuce....totally void of calories, no substance at all, just the normal political wishy washy pretty talk.God when Biden smiles its so fake, like "jeez they actually believe me??"
Please find another candidate dems.... |
what I think you fail to recognize is that is exactly what ...umm.. about 60% of America wants right now..
not Biden specifically... but a return to normal....
what is interesting however may not be a return to the old normal.. ie a President acting like one and leading this country.. but a real shift from the imperial Presidency, in which Trump has exposed all the evils of that, a not just a rebalancing of power but perhaps a real shift to where Congress .. not the President... leads the country through crafting its priorities and its policies.
to be blunt.. it won't be as much we will be electing Biden to be President. .but electing the hands down smartest and most savy poltician and policy maker in DC to be in charge.. Nancy Pelosi. The right has tried to make her some sort of boogyman.. didn't work in 2018.. isn't and won't work in 2020. It could well be what I semi joked about earlier..
Sleepy Joe .. just wake him up long enough to sign the bills that the Democratic controlled House and Senate pass
Edited by micky - July 03 2020 at 08:08
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 01 2020 at 12:20 |
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It would be amusing (wrong word, but whatever) if it were to turn out that Trump gets a cut.
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Posted: July 01 2020 at 10:53 |
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It's all about currying favor with Russia. And with Trump too scared to say boo to Putin, putting it out to the public via the NYT is the only way to get Trump off his yellow stained fat ass and do something about it.
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Posted: July 01 2020 at 10:46 |
npjnpj wrote:
Here, about this business of Russia paying bounties for killing American soldiers: can someone explain to me why Taliban in Afghanistan would need an extra incentive to do that?
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It's called war and money, and in this case political focus. These kinds of actions have been going on for eons, nothing new here. I doubt we will know if this is true or not, does not matter I don't trust ANY administration on things like this. The US military has done same things in the past I am sure...Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba and the middle East. But in general you are right I doubt the Taliban or other insurgents in that area need any incentive to do harm to US military.
The terrible part was why did NYT leak this story and possibly cause undue harm, I suspect govt people before the report have been trying to find evidence if true and now it does not matter, any secrecy is in the open.
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npjnpj
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Posted: July 01 2020 at 02:50 |
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Here, about this business of Russia paying bounties for killing American soldiers: can someone explain to me why Taliban in Afghanistan would need an extra incentive to do that?
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Posted: July 01 2020 at 00:18 |
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Not really a minority. Third largest party in Germany out of seven in the last parliamentary election in 2017. Seeing that Germany doesn't have any party with a total majority, it can't get much bigger than that. Although admittedly, compared to the UK and the US they don't have a leader who has proven he or she can do a push-up or drink a glass of water with one hand.
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Several leading members of the AfD proved they can raise their right arm though.
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 30 2020 at 21:20 |
Biden's press thing was like eating a truck load of lettuce....totally void of calories, no substance at all, just the normal political wishy washy pretty talk. God when Biden smiles its so fake, like "jeez they actually believe me??"
Please find another candidate dems....
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micky
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Posted: June 30 2020 at 21:01 |
re: Biden's Presser today...
almost feeling sorry for Trump... who is not a debator nor done well in them. Those debates are going to be must see TV. Great source of jokes for us.. a last ditch hope for Trump... but suspect Biden hasn't taken it well personally...
oh yeah.. surest path to 450... deck Trump with an over hand right on national TV... never forget.. it is 2020.
“I can hardly wait to compare my cognitive capability to the cognitive capability of the man I'm running against.”
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npjnpj
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Posted: June 29 2020 at 07:12 |
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Not really a minority. Third largest party in Germany out of seven in the last parliamentary election in 2017. Seeing that Germany doesn't have any party with a total majority, it can't get much bigger than that. Although admittedly, compared to the UK and the US they don't have a leader who has proven he or she can do a push-up or drink a glass of water with one hand.
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Posted: June 29 2020 at 04:45 |
BaldJean wrote:
Lewian wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
Just a quick word about the confederate flags and statues. I know about the argument concerning American history etc., but I can't for the life of me understand why they're still there. Descriptive history is in books, not in monuments.
Imagine a world where Germany, in the year 2020, would be thinking about taking statues of Hitler, Goering, and Goebbels down, and additionally debating whether to stop flying the Swastika on public buildings.
It beggars belief.
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The Germans lost the war though. Had they won chances are it would be very different indeed. As a German I am very suspicious of the idea that the Germans have somehow become immune of such things be it by bad experience or (even less credible) by intelligence. You can see things in current German discourse that are frightening. At this very moment it's a minority thing but before Covid that minority grew year to year (not sure to what extent Covid has stopped that). And if the Germans submit to such thought as a majority... well let's say one thing that seems pretty German to me is to do thoroughly whatever we do, good or bad... 
Surely being interested in American politics is a good thing also for a German, but there's a lot of stuff going on closer to you that is worthwhile keeping an eye on...
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while I basically agree with you I see the situation in Germany a bit different. the rise of the political party AfD (Alternative für Deutschland), which you probably refer to, is especially pronounced in Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia, Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-West Pomerania, the five federal states that constituted the former GDR. they were promised "blooming landscapes" by Helmut Kohl, but the truth is that they are on an economic decline, and many people living there are desperate. and desperate people will take to desperate measures.
this economic decline is what needs to be fought. and the people see very little effort by the politicians to change their destitute situation. they are losing faith in them and thus are easy prey for the far right demagogues of the AfD.
if you want to fight the AfD then you have to put money into the economy of these federal states. but that's not what is happening right now. and, like you, I fear what may come of it.
when politicians are asked about why there is not enough economic support for these federal states they will speak of "practical constraints" and "inherent necessities". but the people are tired of hearing about them. they want a scapegoat. and looking for a scapegoat often leads to xenophobia and racism
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This is a late reply and not the German politics thread... anyway, just as a quick reply, I didn't only refer to AfD results, but also (and even more) to what I see is happening on social media, where right wing Germans now more and more proudly and unashamedly throw their hate and racism up in the air even in supposedly innocent places such as music videos on youtube (obviously as good and proud Germans they do it in their home language so who doesn't know it won't see), but even more so they dominate most politics discussions on "neutral" websites such as the ones of national TV and even more or less liberal newspapers. These people are probably still (!) a minority, but they are mightily noisy, so noisy I can hear them loudly and clearly from Italy and before the UK.
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micky
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Posted: June 28 2020 at 15:32 |
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of course it can man... it's human nature only really needing the right conditions to ignite... and god damn did we get closer to 30's Germany here than I think most might think. or really would ever like to think about or consider...
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