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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

No , just a terribly overrated band with annoying vocals (like U2 and many other eighties bands) .


Yeah, I could probably go with this....

My dislike of DS may be marginally less than yours. but alongside U2 they do represent an 1980's, I'd rather forget; the 'cool' kids at school, strutting around in Rattle & Hum, or Brothers in Arms tee shirts, like they'd just discovered the guitar. They needed reminding that two years before they were listening to A-Ha and Go West (both of which I'd also rather listen to than U2 & DS )

Dire Straights, U2, INXS et al = Rock music for people who don't like rock music.

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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ You were bored to death by Making Movies? Confused

I'm bored to death by pretty much anything I've every heard by them....
I can tell that you're not a guitarist! LOL
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When I was 14, I thought John Illsley was the best bassist, then I bought Never Told a Soul and knew............he wasn’t 🤪
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If Dire Staits is rock for people who don't like rock music, I must be one of those who don't like rock music...

And Mark Knopfler is one of my favourite guitarists - his playing is much more poetic than many of those move-your-fingers-as-fast-as-you-can guitar players that dominate f.e. Rolling Stone's top 100 of guitarists and which I often find boring and unimaginative - but maybe that's just me...
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Agreed. To be fair, I don't think Knopfler is the best guitarist ever compared to people like Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, but I think he's done some of the best guitar solos, and he is also far more poetic in his writing than most people on Rolling Stone's top 100 guitarists list in my opinion. 
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

When I was 14, I thought John Illsley was the best bassist, then I bought Never Told a Soul and knew............he wasn’t 🤪
yeah, Illsley was no genius but he could get a groove going and probably fit their stripped down sound.
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That's a very hard "NO" and I am in favor of a large Prog tent (yes, I believe XTC should be included here) but Dire Straits are not even that progressive - let alone capital "P" Prog...

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No, but one or two of their albums are considered prog. They were sort of roots rock and then later pop rock. I remember I had their last album on cassette and remember thinking parts of it were rather Floydish so they definitely had their prog moments but over all no not prog. Also, there is one undeniable prog connection and that is that Pick Withers who was the drummer on their first four albums also played with the early English prog band Spring and is on the mellotron debut album from 1971.

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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Agreed. To be fair, I don't think Knopfler is the best guitarist ever compared to people like Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton, but I think he's done some of the best guitar solos, and he is also far more poetic in his writing than most people on Rolling Stone's top 100 guitarists list in my opinion. 

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I think, if it may be suggested, that you need to listen to a few more guitarists ... when you get out of the "song" business, and into serious guitarists let me know ... Hendrix is good and Clapton is good, but I seriously doubt that anyone will compare them to some of the "masters" in Europe in guitar playing and even some of the worst pickers in the streets of Madrid and Barcelona ... they would all make those two look silly and beginner guitar players, although I would love to have seen Jimi show up in there and tell them ... I'll show you what can be done ... but for someone that ended up stuck in blues, sadly, it was not going to happen for us all to see!


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Admittedly, Manitas de Plata and other great flamenco players are the real greatest guitarists of all time. 
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Great band, not especially prog though.  "Making Movies" is awesome, and the title track to "Brothers in Arms" sends chills up and down my spine every time
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

some of their songs have been overplayed, I mean I don't want to hear Money For Nothing any time soon. Or Romeo & Juliet, Walk of Life. 





I'm prepared to make an exception for the middle song in that list but that's it. I feel similarly about U2's  With Or Without You.

Those were probably the 2 eighties bands I really disliked the most from that decade. Even Duran Duran were more interesting which is saying something Tongue
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Admittedly, Manitas de Plata and other great
flamenco players are the real greatest guitarists of all time. 

Your post reminds me of those people (usually found in YT comments) who say something like:
"(insert a contemporary band they don't like here) isn't music. (insert an old band they do like here) is real music."
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Admittedly, Manitas de Plata and other great
flamenco players are the real greatest guitarists of all time. 

Your post reminds me of those people (usually found in YT comments) who say something like:
"(insert a contemporary band they don't like here) isn't music. (insert an old band they do like here) is real music."
That is true.
All bands formed after 1995 aren't music. Genesis is real music. Wink
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Obsessive Dire Straits fan here, since the age of 6.  46 now!

I've had Brothers in Arms and their first album on this afternoon.  They definitely do borrow some prog elements from time, say for instance, the second half of Why Worry on Brothers in Arms, and Telegraph Road.

But yeah, they aren't a prog rock band.  There's folk, blues, jass, and all sorts of other stuff in Mark's songs.
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Saw John live in Shrewsbury doing some acoustic stuff.  Met him and bought a signed CD of his new album - but never listened to it hah.  Love him as part of DS though.
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Looking at some of my old posts (during the pandemic mainly I think) I was really demonstrating some unnecessary hate towards them . They were far from being the worst thing in the eighties and stuff such as Telegraph road and Private Investigations was decent enough. However I genuinely dislike Money For Nothing although that's more for the horrible production. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Looking at some of my old posts (during the pandemic mainly I think) I was really demonstrating some unnecessary hate towards them . They were far from being the worst thing in the eighties and stuff such as Telegraph road and Private Investigations was decent enough. However I genuinely dislike Money For Nothing although that's more for the horrible production. 

Love Over Gold was excellent, i overplayed it when i was younger. I overplayed DS in general back then, i rarely listen these days. 
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No, but a band that had a unique/original sound. "Sultans of Swing" is one of the greatest songs ever. "Making Movies" is a tape we listened to a lot on our drives to grandma's. The only 'picker' I like. I never liked walk of life, so far away, money for nothing, though.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Do Dire Straits Count as Prog? They did do some very progressive stuff, like their 14 minute song Telegraph Road, but is that just a sort of weird, jazz fusion/roots rock stuff?

Not really. Like, a 14 minute song doesn't automatically make a band prog. For example, the stoner metal band of Bongripper has a ton of 15+ minute songs, and they aren't prog. Same with the noise artist of Merzbow. Length doesn't quite equal what is or isn't prog. Gentle Giant doesn't really have any big long songs. It is all based around the music, and too me, while Dire Straits have some great music, they aren't prog, 14 minutes or not.
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