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Poll Question: what floats ya boat man...
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
4 [6.90%]
4 [6.90%]
5 [8.62%]
1 [1.72%]
5 [8.62%]
2 [3.45%]
8 [13.79%]
5 [8.62%]
6 [10.34%]
4 [6.90%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.72%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [3.45%]
4 [6.90%]
2 [3.45%]
1 [1.72%]
0 [0.00%]
3 [5.17%]
0 [0.00%]
1 [1.72%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:18
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Scorn - Forever Turning

There hasn't been much electronica in these polls so far, so this is a nice change of pace. I'm really intrigued by this. Gloomy and mesmerizing. An obvious contender for my points.

May I ask why do you express an opinion on every song in the poll? Confused


I have seen others do the same, so I thought it would be OK. I can stop doing it if you want it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:19
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Scorn - Forever Turning

There hasn't been much electronica in these polls so far, so this is a nice change of pace. I'm really intrigued by this. Gloomy and mesmerizing. An obvious contender for my points.

May I ask why do you express an opinion on every song in the poll? Confused


I have seen others do the same, so I thought it would be OK. I can stop doing it if you want it.

no, just curious,
 I wouldn't do it, that's all. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:22
It also helps me form my own judgement of the songs and makes it easier for me to remember them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:24
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

It also helps me form my own judgement of the songs and makes it easier for me to remember them.

ok
the new non-prog thread is already here. Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:27
I know, and I have submitted my song in it. But I haven't voted here yet. I'm going through the last songs for the last time, and then I'll vote.

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I do enjoy the thought processes of others, on how they perceive the music, what makes each person "click." 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 12:44
So I finally voted. My choices were:

Anoushka Shankar and Patricia Kopatchinskaja - Raga Piloo
Charles Ives - Piano Sonata #2
Scorn - Forever Turning

Honorable mentions:
George Benson - 6 to 4
Philip Glass - Powaqqatsi - CAUGHT!
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I do enjoy the thought processes of others, on how they perceive the music, what makes each person "click." 

Same here!
Also, in my view people should take their time. Things are going well, which is fine, but I wouldn't complain about slower pace.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2020 at 15:27
I think people are kind of enthusiastic about this new polling approach, both for prog and non-prog artists.  I see the point of not saturating it, I could see how it would be less fun if one was feeling too pressured to really listen, which could take the enjoyment out of the process.  I am retired, so have time.  I could see, for people who are working, fitting it in as something enjoyable to do, on top of their other living needs and other enjoyments, it could actually feel stressful to have too much at once.  Maybe if each week alternated, a prog and a non-prog poll?  Wondering how others feel.  
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Ludovico Einaudi - In un'altra vita (In Another Life)

It's OK I guess. But these piano chords do little for me. For most part it's the same four chords over and over again. There's got to be some more black keys in use (#'s and b's) and some unexpected chord changes to make it interesting for me. At least in this context.

Well, 
What you write is flawless, the song always revolves around the same chords. It is in a sense all the opposite of prog. As I also wrote, the theme of the song is perhaps the simplest in this poll. 

Yet the song has its own strength, which lies almost entirely in the beauty of the melody. Sounds of Silence is also a song made with few chords, and four verses without a refrain. And Born in the Usa if I'm not mistaken it contains two chords. Rock is essentially based on a few chords, which the singer is capable of interpreting in such a way as to make them captivating, always different, exciting. 

In this song, Einaudi makes an introduction first, then a pause, after which he restarts with the same chords and triggers a rhythmic and tonal progression, which leads to the climax, the most exciting part. The song conveys passion, power, a galloping rhythm, an overwhelming sentimental process seems to be underway that cannot stop. Maybe it's love. 

Then, we are in the middle, the song stops and again the same theme starts but this time it slows down, with much higher pitch and with the keys pressed much more softly, so as to give a completely different pathos: delicacy, fragility, vulnerability, perhaps it is life that is born, given that the title is "In another life". 

The composition is therefore really simple and elementary and all the beauty of the piece derives from the beauty of the melody and its emotional impact. It is clear that there is a hypnotic effect, with which the music wants to conquer the listener and put him at the same wavelength of the emotion he wants to convey. If the listener lets himself be carried away and puts himself on that emotional channel, he fully enjoys the song, and can feel a strong emotion because the melodic theme, as I described above, is developed with wisdom, exploiting all the skills of the piano, from the high notes to the low ones, from the fast to the slow rhythm, from the pressure strong to the pressure soft on the keys, in other words the author focuses entirely on the development of the melody, on deepening it in all directions trying to reach the maximum intensity (this is the right word), emotional intensity. 

The piece focuses on a few agreements to develop them with maximum emotional intensity. In the prog, the opposite often happens: each theme is not too detailed, in order not to be repetitive and show creativity, and punctually after a short time the digression, the instrumental part, or the variation on the theme starts, which makes the composition richer but sometimes , if the melody is beautiful, it makes it lose its beauty a little, it does not make it reach the same emotional intensity. In this song by Einaudi we are at the extremes of intensity, which can be reached with the minimum of composition and the maximum of repetitiveness. 

In some prog songs we are extreme of the richness of the composition, of the musical score, where, however, we touch a not strong emotional intensity, preferring a more cerebral pleasure. This happens in certain Gentle Giant songs for example. When approaching the emotional emphasis, the Gentle Giant shy away from inserting a dissonant variation, as in Think of me with Kindness, one of their most beautiful melodies, limpid, crystalline, which is well developed but without deepening its intensity too much, and with a rather dissonant bridge that completely interrupts its mood.

In the prog masterpieces, the artist reaches the climax, reaches a deep emotional intensity with a rich musical score, and an elaborated composition.


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Good analysis! Clap
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Good analysis! Clap
  And seconded!  Clap
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2020 at 09:06
Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Charles Ives - Piano Sonata No. 2: 3rd Movement

This is really beautiful. At the same time it's a somewhat eccentric combination of different style elements: banality meets atonality, 19th Century meets 20th Centory and so on - "romanticism on acid" would be an appropriate description I imagine. There's a clear reference to the main theme in the first movement of Beethoven's fifth symphony. Should be another contender.
 
I'm glad you like this one.  It's been a favorite piece of mine for exactly what you mention above, it's a combination of both the romantic and 20th Century classical eras.  Others have tried to combine the sound before, but I feel no one pulls it off as well as Ives did in this movement. 
 
It's so interesting how Ives borrows from Beethoven's classic "riff" and then interprets it to the max in so many different ways, stretching it, bending it and nearly destroying it (in a good way, of course).  And then Bruce Hornsby borrows from Ives by introducing one of his songs with the first line of this.  The funny thing is, it took me a while to realize what Hornsby had done even though that song got played "ad nauseum" on the radio.  But, after hearing one comment about this composition lacking emotion, it's great to hear that you hear the passion in it like I do.  I love the dynamics, the many different motifs that are used in the movement, and also how I can pick out something new each time I hear (or attempt to play) it. 
 
 

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Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Charles Ives - Piano Sonata No. 2: 3rd Movement

This is really beautiful. At the same time it's a somewhat eccentric combination of different style elements: banality meets atonality, 19th Century meets 20th Centory and so on - "romanticism on acid" would be an appropriate description I imagine. There's a clear reference to the main theme in the first movement of Beethoven's fifth symphony. Should be another contender.
 
I'm glad you like this one.  It's been a favorite piece of mine for exactly what you mention above, it's a combination of both the romantic and 20th Century classical eras.  Others have tried to combine the sound before, but I feel no one pulls it off as well as Ives did in this movement. 
 
It's so interesting how Ives borrows from Beethoven's classic "riff" and then interprets it to the max in so many different ways, stretching it, bending it and nearly destroying it (in a good way, of course).  And then Bruce Hornsby borrows from Ives by introducing one of his songs with the first line of this.  The funny thing is, it took me a while to realize what Hornsby had done even though that song got played "ad nauseum" on the radio.  But, after hearing one comment about this composition lacking emotion, it's great to hear that you hear the passion in it like I do.  I love the dynamics, the many different motifs that are used in the movement, and also how I can pick out something new each time I hear (or attempt to play) it. 
 
 

I think personally I like his stuff more that goes further away from romanticism (like Central Park in the Dark). Yes you're right that one can see this combination as particularly fascinating, but personally I was thinking "don't hold your modern spirit back that much" when listening to this... comes down to personal aesthetics, I guess.
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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

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I'd wanted to do an instrumental one too, but if I get the chance, maybe I'll do one that asks for soundtrack music. Yeah, I like that idea.


That would be cool. You could still do a straight up Part Deux and get another 15 diverse and stellar selections. I certainly had several other much different tracks in mind until YouTube said otherwise.


I want to try something different, so soundtrack/ library music woud work for me. If more people were int it, I;d quite like to do loungey/ exotica/ tropica music.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

#6.. hard decision between this and numero fiveO.. so was going to flip a coin.. and then it came to me.. and decided a whiskey bottle toss would decide it..

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Janko Nilovic - Underground Session 


where the f**k did you find this .. and what 70's police sitcom did that soundtrack music come from. 

LOVED it and this was definitely a top 3'r until a whiskey bottle and some dope pushed it down.  Great find...Beer


It's an awesome album that was recommended tome by Rocktopus a decade or so ago. I love a lot of library music, he is one of those guys who has made music for radio and TV, and I am very into a lot of music with a cop show sort of vibe. Speaking of the police, funnily, I considered this choice which has that same kind of feel (it's called New York City Police):



I love that big band jazzy sound mix often with a funky and seedy sort of vibe.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by TCat TCat wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Charles Ives - Piano Sonata No. 2: 3rd Movement

This is really beautiful. At the same time it's a somewhat eccentric combination of different style elements: banality meets atonality, 19th Century meets 20th Centory and so on - "romanticism on acid" would be an appropriate description I imagine. There's a clear reference to the main theme in the first movement of Beethoven's fifth symphony. Should be another contender.
 
I'm glad you like this one.  It's been a favorite piece of mine for exactly what you mention above, it's a combination of both the romantic and 20th Century classical eras.  Others have tried to combine the sound before, but I feel no one pulls it off as well as Ives did in this movement. 
 
It's so interesting how Ives borrows from Beethoven's classic "riff" and then interprets it to the max in so many different ways, stretching it, bending it and nearly destroying it (in a good way, of course).  And then Bruce Hornsby borrows from Ives by introducing one of his songs with the first line of this.  The funny thing is, it took me a while to realize what Hornsby had done even though that song got played "ad nauseum" on the radio.  But, after hearing one comment about this composition lacking emotion, it's great to hear that you hear the passion in it like I do.  I love the dynamics, the many different motifs that are used in the movement, and also how I can pick out something new each time I hear (or attempt to play) it. 
 
 

I think personally I like his stuff more that goes further away from romanticism (like Central Park in the Dark). Yes you're right that one can see this combination as particularly fascinating, but personally I was thinking "don't hold your modern spirit back that much" when listening to this... comes down to personal aesthetics, I guess.
 
Believe me, I love the modern sound, but in the instance of this movement, I love how he transitions back into the dissonance and style of the 20th century from the romantic style and how it just flows so easily from one style to another. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2020 at 21:15
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'd wanted to do an instrumental one too, but if I get the chance, maybe I'll do one that asks for soundtrack music. Yeah, I like that idea.


That would be cool. You could still do a straight up Part Deux and get another 15 diverse and stellar selections. I certainly had several other much different tracks in mind until YouTube said otherwise.


I want to try something different, so soundtrack/ library music woud work for me. If more people were int it, I;d quite like to do loungey/ exotica/ tropica music.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

#6.. hard decision between this and numero fiveO.. so was going to flip a coin.. and then it came to me.. and decided a whiskey bottle toss would decide it..

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Janko Nilovic - Underground Session 


where the f**k did you find this .. and what 70's police sitcom did that soundtrack music come from. 

LOVED it and this was definitely a top 3'r until a whiskey bottle and some dope pushed it down.  Great find...Beer


It's an awesome album that was recommended tome by Rocktopus a decade or so ago. I love a lot of library music, he is one of those guys who has made music for radio and TV, and I am very into a lot of music with a cop show sort of vibe. Speaking of the police, funnily, I considered this choice which has that same kind of feel (it's called New York City Police):



I love that big band jazzy sound mix often with a funky and seedy sort of vibe.

missed this earlier..  

I remember Rocktopus... another classic PA'r. Clap And actually I just listened to that Janko clip again.. I mispoke.. that was no TV cop show soundtrack.. but a cutting room scene from a Dirty Harry movie where that music is playing as he chases some bad guy across the rooftops of SF before falling through a glass ceiling into the middle of X-rated film being filmed.. oh wait. .that was a scene wasn't it. The Enforcer? yeah that was classic... it just needed that music to get to epic status

oh yeah that Cosma.. sounds like something out of 70's flick as well... 

sounds like another great topic for a poll.. soundtrack songs/music..but real ones... not merely imagined LOL


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