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Poll Question: Choose your three favorite songs
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The chorus in 5/8, the verses in tango:

Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver (1979)

I could only find a vid for the whole album. The track runs from 20:18 to 24:00.
Instead, you can also click here to go directly to the starting point.
By the way, the whole album is well worth many listens. Arguably the best album (mostly) in Dutch, imo.

The lyrics (translated from Dutch):

Why don't you look at me,
you frozen pond?
Do I have to wait for thaw
or beat an ice-hole in you?

Why don't you touch me
or are your hands cold
like those of a deceased
or an iguana?
Don't you dare to speak
or is your voice so raw
that it would make anything fragile break?

What is it you're flying for?
If you don't want to talk, then
please utter at least
a beautiful, deep sigh...



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Sorry for using the same band again but they fit so well Big smile

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EDIT: Have heard the Kronos Quartet and Astor Piazzolla now... stylistically that's too close to mine. I make this one out of competition and choose another one for the competition.

Here's what I wrote originally:
I love that theme, not so much because I have lots of music that fits (in fact I don't have that much), but rather because this is a theme where I think there's much potential to discover good things that I don't yet know. Unfortunately the selection up to now shows that a number of people know similar stuff as me... I had three ideas and they're all three already there, in one way or another, Astor Piazzolla, the wonderful Manhattan Transfer Brasil album, and Inti Illimani. I think I'll go with my first choice anyway, even though we then have Astor Piazzolla twice, but he is good enough for that, I'd say. Lorenzo, if you don't think that's appropriate, please tell me and I'll look for something else. Which won't be so easy still as I said my first three are already covered.

I give you two versions a) in case one doesn't work for you but b) because I always prefer live videos if they sound reasonably well, but here I'm really torn, as the live video sound is OK but still clearly inferior to the studio version.
So you only need to listen to one of course (and they are reasonably similar), but choose if you're rather up for seeing the band playing, or rather for having the somewhat better sound with a boring album cover video.




Hmmm. I had two things lined up for this in case somebody else would come up with my first idea... actually


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Originally posted by Machinemessiah Machinemessiah wrote:

Hey Lorenzo..  great poll here...

One question..  Can you retire the offensive political message?  or one is allowed to post their own..?  (I think it is not the idea nor the spirit in a 'music' poll, no?).



Well, I don't speak Spanish but me and my friends, when we were young, we sang Carlos Puebla's Hasta Siempre, a song written on the day of Che Guevara's death. You live in Chile, and you know that in Latin America Che Guevara is a myth, and this song has got a lot of versions, so I wrote "Hasta Siempre Comandante Che Guevara". 

You don't have to consider it a political message: Che Guevara is now a legend, he's a romantic hero that many right-wing groups like in Europe. Consider my writing a tribute to a Latin American myth and a nostalgic memory of the times when I sang Hasta Siempre. We are here for fun.

Agree? Come on, join us and participate in the poll with your Latin American song.
(Here the Inti Illimani version)




Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 24 2020 at 03:49
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

How about some Exuma? Love that band
Exuma, The Obeah Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-4gnxxtPtI

Ok,here it is.





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Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: LEWIAN


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)

Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)

Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.

Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.Smile

EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO SONGS IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM.



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Here's my out of competition song - an absolutely beautiful piece of music and singing that is rather well-known in Italy because of the cover by Mina. The genre is, of course, bossa nova (dedicated to our dear friend Guigo aka Atkingani and his lovely wife Ana Heart):


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I'll go with a British entry then... one of the two best songs from Working Week's awesome debut album. And this one is based on an - I think - Bossa Nova rhythm and has some Latin American lyrics. (This video was posted by snicolette because my other one doesn't seem to work in the US:)


Originally posted video:


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:




Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Until now:

SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8:
SONG # 9:
SONG # 10: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)

Not sure whether you have seen my edit. I took Contrabajissimo out of the competition and will come up with something else.

Yes I see. You got a reservation for the tenth place.Smile

EDIT: BUT, IN MY OPINION, ASTOR PIAZZOLLA IS APPROPRIATE, WE CAN POST EVEN 10 TANGO IN THIS POLL, NO PROBLEM


Well, it's there even out of competition and everyone can listen to it. So something else is fine. I don't like having something in the competition that is so close to something else.

By the way:
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SONG # 1: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 2: BOSSANOVA
SONG # 3: ANDEAN FOLK
SONG # 4: LATIN ROCK
SONG # 5: RUMBA
SONG # 6: TANGO (Tango Nuevo)
SONG # 7: BAHAMIAN FOLK (Psychedelic calypso?)
SONG # 8: LATIN JAZZ-ROCK?
SONG # 9: SAMBA?
SONG # 10: LEWIAN
That's it! A personal style for myself in a list with these other great rhythms and genres! I think I can die in peace now! Big smile



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does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed

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@Lorenzo: Working Week is their band name.
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Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.

I love it. 

I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best

dancer in Europa. Please, watch him:






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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Christian, Piazzolla's Tango: Zero Hour is one of my favorite album.

I love it. 

I danced tango, and my master, Alberto Colombo, is an expert of Tango Nuevo. He is one of the best

dancer in Europa. See him:

 

Nice.
Actually Zero Hour is a top 5 album of all time for me, and more so, out of my top 5 of all time I think it's the one that has the most generally appealing quality, meaning that the other four top albums are probably much more only personal favourites than that I'd expect them to work for the general music lover.

Meaning that I'd put that album in the top achievements of humankind together with Fellini's La Dolce Vita and Dostoevskij's Brothers Karamazov and similar stellar quality culture. Piazzolla is a giant, nothing less. That said it's probably good to not have him as my competition entry, because chances are I'd have been insulted by every single vote that goes another way (except those that don't vote him because they know him already of course). Wink

Here's an anecdote though. On a conference I told an Argentinian colleague that I'm a fan of Piazzolla. He was delighted, but he also told me that many taxi drivers in Buenos Aires wouldn't take on Piazzolla because they didn't approve of what he did to tango. It's not always easy to be an innovator! I hope he liked walking...

And I've got to admit that I had a few tango lessons once but I was crap at it... I better just keep listening.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 

you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed


Well, I think Stan Getz is ok. I dont know him, but,as I've written, 

Everyone will judge himself: if a person believes that a pop/rock song has a clear, evident contamination with Latin American music (in the sense of rhythm, composition or arrangement), he is free to post it. The important thing is that the Latin American influence is clearly evident. 

you listed raggae and bossa nova as possibilities, so it'll be one of these for me. 

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

does Stan Getz with Brazilian musicians (or not) doing bossanova count?
otherwise I'll have my favorite Marley song. Embarrassed

I love the Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto album, beautiful stuff.
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