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Droxford ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 16 2020 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 287 |
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Find it interesting that there so many posts on this thread ![]() In respect of Sandinista I recall an interview with Joe Strummer when he suggested that people buy the (triple) album then made their own album by taping their favourite tracks on to a cassette . Sandinista was priced quite low . Can see that 'Tales from the Topographic Oceans' and 'Incantations' have their padding but just don't know how I would turn them into single albums. And isn't part of the appeal of Prog is that artists would not be afraid to perform long tracks and not be confined to standard songs lengths ? And have got used to them the lengths they are.
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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3625 |
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Sandinista! could use a haircut but not all the way down to a single disc!!! As a double LP it would have equalled London Calling...
Tales From Topographic Oceans is perfect as is. Leave it alone. People don't say anything about Incantations or Soft Machine 3. Or Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven. Now Spock's Beard Snow could use some editing!!! And I'm a Neal Morse fan but...
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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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Electric Ladyland seems pretty untouchable. Jimi deserves exemption from this thread and question, because he was never allowed to complete First Rays Of The New Rising Sun. Although that was released in 1997, it still isn't 100% Jimi's vision. "Valleys Of Neptune" would have been a perfect addition, but obviously didn't get to record a definite version.
The Wall as a single? Bare bones of the story. Even then some of those would be obscure. The Lamb single? Tchh... That one's harder! On the subject of harder, both of The Who's would be great singles, but even then it's knowing what to leave out. Edited by AZF - June 24 2020 at 12:46 |
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12395 |
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Allan Holdsworth never approved the release of Velvet Darkness. They recorded the band rehearsing, then told them they were done, and kicked them out of the studio. He was pissed the album was released. There are many other albums that are not as the artist intended. The artist has little to say as the producer and record company are footing the bill. XTC Skylarking and Gentle Giant's Giant for a Day are examples. There are few exceptions. Rush was one. Beyond them...not many. Of course artists can self produce. But none can make a living off it. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - June 24 2020 at 08:50 |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15149 |
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The artist's intention is not sacred. As an artist you can learn from the opinions of others. Sometimes, fair enough, people don't get what the artists have done. Sometimes though, artists learn that in order to better present their core idea and inspiration, some stuff around it is better cut, or changed. There are enough artists who admit that they have learnt from criticism, and one thing that quite a number have learnt, is to distinguish between a worthwhile core and superfluous self-indulgent stuff they used to put around it. I'm not saying that the one who criticises is always right. Hell, they may be wrong more often than not. Also, the authority is the artist, so the artist can say "sod it" and not change a thing. Fair enough. But still, there is development and learning through criticism, and shutting down the criticism won't make the world of music a better place.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18064 |
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Thank you
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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RoeDent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 08 2009 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 850 |
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None. All albums are exactly as the artist intended at the time and should remain as such.
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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^Don't quite know what happened there...
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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I still disagree. Love every actual song on the second disc, not just for the storyline. I'm pretty easy to please though with Genesis. I even like Whodunnit! [/QUOTE]
I like you. You also have the guts to speak your mind about tracks like Whodunnit, full well knowing some people on this site would crucify you for it! I also agree about The Lamb.
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Awesoreno ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 07 2019 Location: Culver City, CA Status: Offline Points: 3079 |
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I like you. You also have the guts to speak your mind about tracks like Whodunnit when some people on this site will crucify you for it! I also agree with you about The Lamb.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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I always find this hilarious, because even on my first listen to TFTO at 19 or 20 years old, it was never exhausting. It was just lots of YES, and I like every noise YES makes as a unit, so this is like a musical equivalent of a YES BUFFET for my ears, padding and all, lol. Editing isn't bad when you know the parts! I'm biased because my ears are so tuned to this band I know what they're doing, lol. With that said even I wouldn't mind seeing how it could be condensed down to a single disc.
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Like 99% of them, because why would an album be longer than 45-55 minutes? |
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18064 |
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Hi, BIZARRE. No one goes around saying that Beethoven has too much padding, and so does Stravinsky. And folks, today, many times saying this about rock music, are missing the point, specially when the "padding" is more of a FEELING about how one goes through those moments in time, something that classical musicians have been doing for hundreds of years, and now ... these rock audiences think they know and feel the music better than its creator ... and the folks in that audience do not have the courage to get up on the stage and do their own piece of music and get a similar criticism. "SEEING" what the passages are about is a problem, since these are about you using your imagination, and HONESTLY, the folks that do not like these passages ... and many are phenomenal ... are the ones that want the lyrics to tell them what this is all about. I just find the whole thing really disrespectful of what "progressive" music has been about for 50+ years which also included INTROVERTED moments in the music ... which for my hearing, was an extension of some of the extended jams that you heard in many places like the Fillmore or UFO (for example) but have long been forgotten. ALL of IT, is a part of the music ... and I find it sad to see an artist criticized for it ... when the problem is OUR OWN INABILITY TO FIND WHAT THE TRUTH IN THE MUSIC IS ... as it has no "lyrics" to tell us! Too many here, think the only truth HAS TO BE the lyrics TELLING YOU what it is all about Alfie!
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12813 |
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Actually, even though double albums are usually important ones for the bands that release them, and usually give something to talk about when they are announced, or one is searching for a bands discography, most of the times I find that they end up having material that is not quiet as strong, as if the bands end up finding it difficult to fill two discs of music with the same quality, so for me it might be most of the double albums that would make better single albums. Of course, when it's concept albums, they can more easily tell the story they want to if they make it double.
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satanellus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 07 2020 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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Depends. Are we talking Melville or Bonham?
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satanellus ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: June 07 2020 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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So we're dropping the final track of Physical Graffiti?
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29447 |
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No Dance Of the Little Fairies then? ![]() Yeah I do like that album but I think you make a fair point. It did go a bit like ELP Works One album. Too much solo bits and pieces that were needless. The tracks you mention are the best ones , especially Fifo that was written by Monkman and is a rather overlooked masterpiece imo.
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David64T ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 19 2013 Location: South Australia Status: Offline Points: 392 |
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Much as I love this album from 1980, especially as Francis Monkman's swansong with the group: ![]() ...even at the time Sky 2 seemed to have some padding (solo guitar, solo harpsichord, Tristan's percussion piece, Herbie at the piano) and at least in Australia was originally issued as a 2LP set at a 1LP price ($9.99). Perhaps: 1. Fifo: (17:05) a) Fifo - 6:44 b) Adagio - 2:29 c) Scherzo - 4:19 d) Watching the Aeroplanes - 3:33 2. Sahara (6:56) 3. Toccata (4:42) 4. Hotta (7:46) 5. Scipio (12:09) 6. Vivaldi (4:03)
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15149 |
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But that's totally different, isn't it? The record company is a business that runs by the rules of business. They have to make a living, too. They don't make an artistic assessment, they ask themselves, will we more likely earn or lose money if we sell this as quadruple album. Their assessment that they have an all too good chance of losing money with the quadruple and their chances of earning money are better if they release them one by one may well be correct, even if they admitted that from an artistic point of view you are right. But that's not the game they play. And the game we play here is different still, at least as far as I'm concerned. Even if you got your quadruple released and some people loved it to pieces as it is, what's wrong with somebody else writing "I could well do without half of it" if they just think so? If you as an artist put out your work in public, you've got to live with people saying what they think, even if it doesn't flatter you.
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hellogoodbye ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP member Joined: August 29 2011 Location: Troy Status: Offline Points: 7251 |
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I love Sandinista exactly as it is.
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