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Poll Question: Post a song now, vote later
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I already have a couple of songs lined up for the next two editions. I missed the first poll, but now that I've become more familiar with the concept I find I really like it.
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In fact I have listened to them all and pretty much narrowed it down... but will maybe take some more time to make my final decision.
Standings up to now: The Phil Ochs one is of supreme beauty and my clear winner. No way I'm not voting for that.
But then...
Maybe I like Stephan Forte second best, very cool mind blowing stuff, but then to my ears that's crystal clear prog, even if currently not listed here...
The Bears one is very nice and relaxed, loved to listen to that.
Earth, Wind and Fire... haven't listened to them for a very long time, thought it's not my cup of tea, but this one is very good, has a very smooth flow.
Stephen Malkmus and The Jicks, great arrangement and playing, I love how intensive this gets... ultimately I'm not keen on the singing, so chances are I'm not going to vote it but it's great in a way.
Frankie Goes to Hollywood, I know it very well and have a love/hate relationship with this track, love the rhythm and drive and the voice, sometimes their overdramatisation annoys me. (I'm tempted to say this is 80s pop's Close To The Edge Tongue)

As always I can find something special to like in every one of these, proper music listeners with good taste will always recommend something that has some spark!

Vote for Phil Ochs is set in stone, still have to make my mind up about no. 2 and 3.


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Here's some creepy metal stuff. Sometimes bad production adds to the eeriness of a song, as is seen here.

I presume this will not be voted (surprise me!), anyway my aim is to scare you. LOL
 

By the way I'm surprised you think this, and standings up to now bear you out... would have thought that this is rather a votecatcher for prog fans (I'm not even that keen on prog metal generally, but this is more prog than metal).
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Re Francesco Guccini, very good voice and intricate sensitive song... but I'm with micky, too much lyrics and too little music. My Italian teacher in London would play me such stuff, some actually quite good, and language teachers think that songs are great for learning a language... but for me to concentrate on the lyrics of something that is *music* and should therefore be about the sound (as far as I'm concerned) feels unnatural and I always sense some rebellion against it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

In fact I have listened to them all and pretty much narrowed it down... but will maybe take some more time to make my final decision.
Standings up to now: The Phil Ochs one is of supreme beauty and my clear winner. No way I'm not voting for that.
But then...
Maybe I like Stephan Forte second best, very cool mind blowing stuff, but then to my ears that's crystal clear prog, even if currently not listed here...
The Bears one is very nice and relaxed, loved to listen to that.
Earth, Wind and Fire... haven't listened to them for a very long time, thought it's not my cup of tea, but this one is very good, has a very smooth flow.
Stephen Malkmus and The Jicks, great arrangement and playing, I love how intensive this gets... ultimately I'm not keen on the singing, so chances are I'm not going to vote it but it's great in a way.
Frankie Goes to Hollywood, I know it very well and have a love/hate relationship with this track, love the rhythm and drive and the voice, sometimes their overdramatisation annoys me. (I'm tempted to say this is 80s pop's Close To The Edge Tongue)

As always I can find something special to like in every one of these, proper music listeners with good taste will always recommend something that has some spark!

Vote for Phil Ochs is set in stone, still have to make my mind up about no. 2 and 3.
Thanks for giving Phil some love.  :)  
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Yeah, preferred Nick Drake last time and Phil Ochs now... both ended their lifes, I hope there's no pattern here... Unhappy
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Maybe I like Stephan Forte second best, very cool mind blowing stuff, but then to my ears that's crystal clear prog, even if currently not listed here... 


But the criteria include this: "By non-prog, I mean you should avoid bands that are listed in the Prog Archives.". So I felt free to put it.

Ah, what an unlucky contest. I didn't vote for my song even if I was free to, and you didn't vote for this even if the song fit the criteria.

LOL

Thanks anyway. Embarrassed

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Yeah, preferred Nick Drake last time and Phil Ochs now... both ended their lifes, I hope there's no pattern here... Unhappy
  I do like a lot of melancholy, thoughtful music, minor keys and all that.  Guess that sometimes comes with the territory.  I'll try and find someone yet alive for the next poll, maybe you'll like that choice as well, depending on what our parameters are.  :)

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Maybe I like Stephan Forte second best, very cool mind blowing stuff, but then to my ears that's crystal clear prog, even if currently not listed here... 


But the criteria include this: "By non-prog, I mean you should avoid bands that are listed in the Prog Archives.". So I felt free to put it.

Ah, what an unlucky contest. I didn't vote for my song even if I was free to, and you didn't vote for this even if the song fit the criteria.

LOL

Thanks anyway. Embarrassed

Of course you were within your rights to do that... anyway, I have only given one vote yet. Can't decide between Forte, Bears, and Earth Wind and Fire for 2 and 3...
I think I take the easy way out... Bears have 3 votes, EW&F 2 and Forte none, so Forte and EW&F it is. 

Last time I voted for the most popular choices, this time for the outsiders.


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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Yeah, preferred Nick Drake last time and Phil Ochs now... both ended their lifes, I hope there's no pattern here... Unhappy
  I do like a lot of melancholy, thoughtful music, minor keys and all that.  Guess that sometimes comes with the territory.  I'll try and find someone yet alive for the next poll, maybe you'll like that choice as well, depending on what our parameters are.  :)

I can be very eclectic... and anyway it's 25% parameters and 75% pure unexplainable magic.
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So true!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Yeah, preferred Nick Drake last time and Phil Ochs now... both ended their lifes, I hope there's no pattern here... Unhappy
  I do like a lot of melancholy, thoughtful music, minor keys and all that.  Guess that sometimes comes with the territory.  I'll try and find someone yet alive for the next poll, maybe you'll like that choice as well, depending on what our parameters are.  :)

I can be very eclectic... and anyway it's 25% parameters and 75% pure unexplainable magic.


Thanks for the vote, Lewian. Also glad that you liked the song. This "game" is just for fun, losing is not a big issue for me. But I cannot lie, this vote has made me feel good. Star
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Re Francesco Guccini, very good voice and intricate sensitive song... but I'm with micky, too much lyrics and too little music. My Italian teacher in London would play me such stuff, some actually quite good, and language teachers think that songs are great for learning a language... but for me to concentrate on the lyrics of something that is *music* and should therefore be about the sound (as far as I'm concerned) feels unnatural and I always sense some rebellion against it.

Hmmm, yes, but you have voted for Phil Ochs, one of the American songwriters most similar to Guccini, and basically famous for his lyrics.
However, the songwriters are not born in Italy, but in France and Belgium, I speak of chansonniers such as Brel, Brassens, Ferrè. The Italians De André (here in PA as Prog-related, otherwise I would post some of his songs) and Guccini took from them and from Bob Dylan, who made the first three records only with guitar, voice and harmonica, all based on the lyrics. If we think about it, Desolation Row, taken from what is considered his folk rock masterpiece, Highway 61 revisited, has ten verses, is a flood river, sung from start to finish and lasts over 10 minutes. In reality, Guccini and De Andrè have never made such a threadbare song. After all, I also chose the Song of the usual questions because of the nostalgic and classical melody, not for the text. Anyway, dear Christian, now I already have in mind a song by Guccini where the musical part and the arrangement are clearly predominant with respect to the lyrics, and I keep it in reserve for one of the next threads.Wink


Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 26 2020 at 19:03
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Other impressions:

Dan Mandrila.... hmmmmm....



hmmmmmm?! this can mean both good and bad LOL
So did you like it? 

Well I had mixed feelings to listen to it, I was undecided whether to consider it good music or just a very commercial and enjoyable easy listening. Some passages reminded me of the electro-tango music that I danced, and that I liked, although obviously this song is not a tango.

I don't hear any tango whatsoever. But then again I do not know what electro-tango is and truth is it does not feel like something I'd be interested in. 

Very commercial? A jazz song? Funny, I don't get it. People often use the term "commercial" as derogatory which in a lot of cases (the song I chose included) is undeserving. 
Also if you ask me, there's no such thing as good music or bad music, it's just music we like and music we don't like, that simple. 
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Yeah, preferred Nick Drake last time and Phil Ochs now... both ended their lifes, I hope there's no pattern here... Unhappy
  I do like a lot of melancholy, thoughtful music, minor keys and all that.  Guess that sometimes comes with the territory.  I'll try and find someone yet alive for the next poll, maybe you'll like that choice as well, depending on what our parameters are.  :)

I can be very eclectic... and anyway it's 25% parameters and 75% pure unexplainable magic.


Thanks for the vote, Lewian. Also glad that you liked the song. This "game" is just for fun, losing is not a big issue for me. But I cannot lie, this vote has made me feel good. Star
 

Your contribution was not in my top three, but I enjoyed it, even though it might have a little bit more to do with celerity than with melody. A welcome addition to such a list imho .
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:


Maybe I like Stephan Forte second best, very cool mind blowing stuff, but then to my ears that's crystal clear prog, even if currently not listed here... 


But the criteria include this: "By non-prog, I mean you should avoid bands that are listed in the Prog Archives.". So I felt free to put it.

Ah, what an unlucky contest. I didn't vote for my song even if I was free to, and you didn't vote for this even if the song fit the criteria.

LOL

Thanks anyway. Embarrassed

Of course you were within your rights to do that... anyway, I have only given one vote yet. Can't decide between Forte, Bears, and Earth Wind and Fire for 2 and 3...
I think I take the easy way out... Bears have 3 votes, EW&F 2 and Forte none, so Forte and EW&F it is. 

Last time I voted for the most popular choices, this time for the outsiders.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:


Hmmm, yes, but you have voted for Phil Ochs, one of the American songwriters most similar to Guccini, and basically famous for his lyrics.
I have voted for that particular song, which is full to the brim with music.
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  Anyway, dear Christian, now I already have in mind a song by Guccini where the musical part and the arrangement are clearly predominant with respect to the lyrics, and I keep it in reserve for one of the next threads.Wink

I'm curious! Smile


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Other impressions:

Dan Mandrila.... hmmmmm....



hmmmmmm?! this can mean both good and bad LOL
So did you like it? 

Well I had mixed feelings to listen to it, I was undecided whether to consider it good music or just a very commercial and enjoyable easy listening. Some passages reminded me of the electro-tango music that I danced, and that I liked, although obviously this song is not a tango.

I don't hear any tango whatsoever. But then again I do not know what electro-tango is and truth is it does not feel like something I'd be interested in. 

Very commercial? A jazz song? Funny, I don't get it. People often use the term "commercial" as derogatory which in a lot of cases (the song I chose included) is undeserving. 
Also if you ask me, there's no such thing as good music or bad music, it's just music we like and music we don't like, that simple. 

Commercial music can be good or bad.
Misplaced Chlidhood is very commercial and it's a great prog album. 
Suzanne Vega plays commercial folk music, Steely Dan commercial pop-jazz and I like them.
That song by Dan Mandrila is quite commercial, electric-pop-jazz I would say. 

This is an example of electric-pop-tango:
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Hi,

One of the things I always wanted to do on stage was to put on the COMPLETE ... Frankie Goes to Hollywood, although I would also use film for the backgrounds, and end up with a sort of "West Side Story" ... complete with a live band and dancers ... and offer a lot of nudity and give Micky an erection, and maybe even invite him to be in it ... so he can have some fun. 

AND, we would have to do this a la "Marat/Sade", with a fence in the front and a row of folks sitting there representing the upper class buffoons that think that stuff like this is below their bathroom moments! And they have to get upset and ... you know the rest!

As one of the folks in "Marat/Sade" says ... "we're here to give these patients ... THERAPY." (SLIGHTLY PARAPHRASED) ... and we really need to do something bombastic to get attention, and that should get a few folks in the theater with their smartphones!

And the show ... would be here to give the audience some THERAPY"!

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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Other impressions:

Dan Mandrila.... hmmmmm....



hmmmmmm?! this can mean both good and bad LOL
So did you like it? 

Well I had mixed feelings to listen to it, I was undecided whether to consider it good music or just a very commercial and enjoyable easy listening. Some passages reminded me of the electro-tango music that I danced, and that I liked, although obviously this song is not a tango.

I don't hear any tango whatsoever. But then again I do not know what electro-tango is and truth is it does not feel like something I'd be interested in. 

Very commercial? A jazz song? Funny, I don't get it. People often use the term "commercial" as derogatory which in a lot of cases (the song I chose included) is undeserving. 
Also if you ask me, there's no such thing as good music or bad music, it's just music we like and music we don't like, that simple. 

Commercial music can be good or bad.
Misplaced Chlidhood is very commercial and it's a great prog album. 
Suzanne Vega plays commercial folk music, Steely Dan commercial pop-jazz and I like them.
That song by Dan Mandrila is quite commercial, electric-pop-jazz I would say. 


I think you are using the word "commercial" for something that is "accessible" or "catchy". 
And like I said, many listeners (if not most) use the word "commercial" as something bad, awful. It never has a positive connotation. 
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