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Woon Deadn 
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The game of tarot is a nice niece of bridge. What do you actually think of the whole tarot cards issue? Do you believe in all that stuff? Does cartomancy work for you? Or perhaps you used to play the game of the same name? Or just used to listen to the respective Rainbow's song and get excited?
I can tell you totally sincerely that being an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I realize that if a human being is seeking for an easy supernatural mystery, even the pigeon's feces will tell something to such a human being - but that's because the invisible forces will do all the work. As a good example, the first tarot card that I got in my life (thanks to the smartphone app) was the one whose existence had embarrassed me most because of my religious background. Yes, it was the Devil card. Soon I saw it all and understood that interpretations of the cards are too broad... What are your impressions and experience on the topic?
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 06:52 |
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I tried tarot but the messages seemed like they were for someone else. They did not apply to my life. I did not see the outcomes of the readings manifest in my life. So I gave my deck away to a friend.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 08:38 |
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I do not believe in it in the sense of it's being an oracle. I do read Tarot and collect the decks, because I love the artwork. I am packed for moving right now, but I believe I have about 20 different decks, including the rare Salvador Dali deck. I think that the way they are constructed, they are very representative of specific kinds of people and events in most human lives. I think that they can make one focus on an issue in a different way than one might otherwise, just like interpreting dreams, which I see as the subconscious solving problems or sorting out issues of the day. Just like taking a problem to someone else to have them help you figure out how to solve it, it is usually suggested that reading one's own cards may not be as helpful, as sometimes it takes another viewpoint (or way of looking at things) to "see," what is in the cards.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 08:38 |
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I think there are 78 cards in a Tarot deck but if anyone seriously believes that there are just 78 variables waiting to decide their fate then they really don't have their problems to seek. I had my fortune read circa 1996 and was asked to choose between the short to medium term or long term reading (with a commensurate hike in price) Only an unprincipled charlatan would quantify divination in these terms. The querent is complicit in the perceived success of any reading and apophenia is every bit as culpable in an interpretation of Crimson's Moon Child as that of of the confirmation bias inherent in any Tarot quackery.
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Woon Deadn
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 09:55 |
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Absolutely agree with your words. Still, there's this tiny lair of truth in all such stuff. Like, I don't believe in astrological prophecies, but I do believe in short descriptions of people according to their astrological signs. I have no idea why they really usually tend to be true, but they do - I mean, the astrological signs' descriptions applying to people's characters, etc. Stalin, Zhukov and Churchill were Sagittarius, Lenin and Hitler were Taurus - there's some reason to it. Oh, and Keith Emerson was Scorpio vs Kerry Minnear is Capricorn. Similarly, I suppose, in some situations some Tarot cards may definitely mean something, prophecy something - but, on average, it's all lies. Now, that's my opinion.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 10:06 |
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Typically, personal prophecies that come from "fortune readers" are kept general enough to apply to pretty much anyone. The way they make it seem personal is by watching for cues and listening to hints from what their subject is feeding to them, then they take the "card" or whatever they are reading and match it up with those little clues they get from the subject.
However, I think there are some people that do have a certain strong link to the "unknown" that are quite a bit more accurate in predictions than most amateurs that try to make a buck by fooling others.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 10:13 |
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you have to look at tarot cards the right way. no, they will not tell you about your fate or what to do; why should they? but while trying to interpret the meaning of the tarot cards you will get insights into yourself you didn't have before. it is not the cards that tell them, it is yourself; the cards are but a means to get to your unconscious. it is the same with horoscopes or other methods of divination, by the way. I am not speaking of newspaper horoscopes here, I am speaking of the real McCoy
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 10:49 |
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Thank you. I was about to write that the cards are just the medium that the message comes through, like a radio or tv or any words, which, for all intents and purposes we "translate" into something that ... more often than not is "not" what we think. One of the most important things that we learn in DIRECTING for theater and film, is that what you do will be seen differently by everyone that you show it to, and some won't get anything out of it. Others will. Having done several "psychic shows" in Seattle and Portland in the late 80's and early 90's, I can easily say that there are some very good ones out there that are very honest about their trade and their work, and they don't fool around ... and a good friend of mine that did a lot of readings and lectures, always had a funny way in shows ... I'm not the one you want to talk to ... and of course, someone asked why? ... The biggest issue for all of these situations is how "closed" so many folks are to hearing/listening to anything ... if it doesn't apply, it doesn't apply ... but saying outright that the person that sees this and that about you is wrong ... I'm not sure is the right thing ... it's like saying that the person over there sees you emanate BLUE ... and you deny it because it is never blue, and you hate blue! The Tarot is fine ... the reader and the user is the issue. In my case, I never used "defined layouts" and always created a new one for each and every person in a reading. I don't seem to be good about "superimposing" this or that over someone else's image!
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 10:56 |
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I second that thank you to BaldJean.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 12:15 |
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BaldJean said it perfectly. You have to realize that Tarot cards much
like Tibetan Buddhist art and other symbolic visual arts is designed to
activate aspects of consciousness that have been suppressed. Like
astrology, the Tarot is designed to help you uncover subtle patterns of
behavior that will lead down certain inevitable paths if continued. In
other words, it is giving insight into the default systems which are
running our operating systems. We can basically hack our realities and
change the outcome and the Tarot is designed to help stimulate these
focal points in order to break free from outside programming so to
speak. A talented Tarot card reader will be well versed in many aspects
of the occult well beyond those crafted for public consumption.
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 13:29 |
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you may get really stunning revelations that way. I know because Friede and I occasionally use the cards. we really learned things about us we didn't know before, at least not in a conscious way. but when we learned them it was like "of course! why did I never notice this before"? we usually use the Crowley Tarot. but we have other tarot sets too like a kabbalistic tarot or an I Ching tarot which we use for special questions we have
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Posted: May 17 2020 at 15:31 |
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I used to play the card game; it's a proper intelligent medium complexity card game, one of those I love most. Unfortunately I don't have much contact now with the people with whom I used to play it, so I haven't done it for quite a while. In the proper card game there are just suits and values and numbers, no crazy names, esotericism, or psychology. Or rather, only the psychology required to win a game. I'm probably with BaldJean regarding the cartomancy thing, but these things interested me at the age of 18 or so and there isn't much of that interest left. Not because I think it's all too wrong or silly, I just got interested in too many other things.
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I also have a tarot game app for Anroid on my smartphone, but still haven't learned all the details. Nice design of the cards, anyway. By the way, I have recently tried to make the GG-themed playing cards...
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Hi, Not quite ... since a "seer" or "clairvoyant" does not rely on anything historical or specific ideas about how something is done and when. They are simply "interpreting" the signals that the energies provide, and these can be visual, aural and other kinds of energies, which might not necessarily come from the cards, but THROUGH the cards, as an interpretation. However, I have to admit that the best I have ever seen and heard, they will not always "credit" any occult aspects at all, since that is the one thing that scares people the most. The "art" itself is not occult at all, but the religious models that we know think that your ability to "see" something inside is not something that you are allowed to do because you are not sanctified to be its speaker. Thus, card reading, and any psychic consultation usually runs into problems with people that only believe a book, and ideas that were given to them and force fed all their life. The "so-called" knowledge, is, for the most part, a sort of history of the way things were seen, and you can compare the greatest mystics known for similar thoughts and threads ... and you will find that the main concern is the LANGUAGE ... which today is way better defined through use and interaction, than it was 500 years ago, let's say ... so a lot of that stuff seems "occult" ... and it only is because no one can quite get/understand what it is saying. IF, the inner self, was all about "secrets" ... it would be a huge problem. But, in the end, there are no secrets, except that we keep believing that we are invisible and no one can see us! The craziest thought ever, since we are "energy" beings right from the start, and children of the universe!
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^ No secrets true, only consciousness expansion. Advanced mathematics is not a secret but one must go through the arduous process of disciplining oneself in order to understand the higher concepts. Same goes with occult aspects of human psychology. You're correct about psychics and their ilk simply reading auras and energetic frequencies. The English language seems to have evolved to be intentionally ambiguous which allows wiggle room for sophistry and psychological manipulation. Of course such disciplines like Tarot card reading are also corrupted to seem like mere entertainment rather than legit sources of self-discovery. If one is open to mind expansion then such things as Tarot cards aren't even necessary. It's just one tool out of many for self-psychological explorations.
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Again, as a young enough 37 y.o. man (and the creator of this page) I'd like to tell of my personal invention within the topic. Not so long ago, I've decided to create the sort-of-mocking 75 card tarot-alike deck. The cards that I have titled Marym.
It's all in the process and the cranes are still active so the helmet is required and so  , but here are a few examples below. As usual, it is obvious that I am not Beethoven and not Van Gogh. Everything is of amateur quality, the concept is what matters here. As I'm Russian/Ukrainian-speaking, there are names of the cards in Russian and English. Although it was intended as fun and joy and good laugh, I almost had no doubt that there would be people who could really use that deck for cartomancy and other occult purposes. Like any other sets of symbols, after all.       At minimum, it's funny and unexpected. I hope so. Edited by Woon Deadn - May 20 2020 at 13:13 |
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There’s so much uncharted territory in the brain that, if you unlock those doors, you’ll never be the same.....
People seeking ‘answers’ from such means as Tarot, Psychic readings and so on crave a different perspective on their ‘issues’. You yourself, believe in what you choose to believe in. For me, when you die, you die - the mind ceases to function, the organs shut down and it will be just blackness. Nothing. Others believe that the ‘spirit’ goes on to some other place and time. Edited by Tom Ozric - May 20 2020 at 20:22 |
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Hi, All languages do, for the most part and the Romantic languages are the worst in this aspect, since there are subtleties of grammar and language that the Italians might use that the Portuguese don't for example, and it all adds up to a bit of confusion about the same thing ... it's like you are all around one tree but everyone's description will be different and in different languages. This is a difficult thing to get over ... but conceptually, it is the same thing ... but we think that THE BARDO is any different than all the other books, or what the original BIBLE was about, since that book has suffered the worst translations EVER, and in the various different translations it does not even say the same thing about various events! This is one of the most difficult things about translating anything to those languages ... however, these days, due to the Internet, English seems to be leading the way, and I think it is helping show folks how the parallels exist on these books ... but it's gonna be a long day in hell before anyone tries to compare some Aleister Crowley to The Bardo, and to the Aztec Indians mythology, or Aborigene mythologies, all of these much older than the Greek horrible translations which are one of the biggest cases of turning people away from their "source" than anything else in literature ... but we don't care anymore! The similarities are astounding, given the different "paths" ... but we only see these things as completely separate internal process ... and while, YES, we are all different, in the end, the majority of the inner stuff has similarities, with the problem being that we are not capable of keeping track of it properly or learn to take notes from it!
I can tell you that in the psychic shows I participated in, it was not quite corrupt, and most were fairly legit, with the hardest part of which one of these would fit you or I better than the other one ... too many choices, but an English lady (by way of Australia) and a couple of others, also foreigners, were the best in my estimation, although one could say that it would be something that I "understand" better than the rest of the readers ... although there were some that I wondered about their abilities without the "____" or the "_____ dress." It is good for self exploration, but what is weird to me, and others is that we are far better reading for others than ourselves. In my case, the "flowing" story is way easier to flow and follow than it is for myself. I might have to re-evaluate this, as it might be some internal mechanism that doesn't like to be looked at ... but generally, considering all the acting, internal and directing work I do, mirrors are not exactly my issue at all ... I do these easily enough, with or without me in it.
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Hi, There is much more "charted" than we will ever want to accept, or admit. The problem is that in many cases, so much of it has suffered horrible translations that have removed it from its "source", and this is the major problem with linguistics ... your culture is used to this or that, and you are reading something that does not see it that way, and their description throws yours off kilter. In essence, and this is the most important part of it, it is exactly the same thing as what you see but from the other side of the same tree!!!!! I'm not sure everyone is seeking answers, and there are people whose adventures are "pre-destined' and they simply have to get to the right street signs and corners, and a lot of these "answers" help define that movement ... but this is not something that we can understand or appreciate. Here's an example ... a friend went to a psychic lecture, and he had a choice of a couple of them to decide on ... and he walks into the first one and immediately the lady points to you and says ... Mr. SuchandSuch ... you are wanting to go to the other lecture across the street. Thanks for coming in and saying hello. And he left and went next door and the rest is history! The whole thing about people "believing what they want to" is a scary thought and idea, since all too often much of this is about something else, and not exactly the inner thing ... it is stuff that comes from someone else and it usually is about some form of control and making sure everyone is on the same path ... when it is well known that each path is DIFFERENT and there are no teachers or guides that can help you going around the mountain to the top! As for "death" ... in my book, we all simply become the same matter as what the universe has and was made of and from ... we came from there, and we return to it ... and all else is just words top describe ... nothing!
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