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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

The idea of the one desert island disc per band being their triple live is a little easy, but I'd still hesitate to take that over the debut, despite the inclusion of Tarkus.

I'm definitely not a fan of BSS and that Show live album was recorded on that tour, and features all of that album. For a better balance I'd have wanted the A-side featuring something more from the debut, some thing from Pictures and even some track from Trilogy

I don't find it well cut either, with tracks spread over two sides needlessly: if there is nothing you can do about Tarkus and KEN because of their resective live-rendition lengths, Pebble should've be able to fit the whole of the D-side, pushing the ragtime thingie behind Aquatarkus. And of course theCensored CD version does not solve that problemNuke
 

the deluxe reissues are excellent. It doesn't need fixing and not the whole of BSS is included as I pointed out. Also there is track from Trilogy. That was a tricky album to pull off live. Endless Enigma just didn't work and Lakes vocal range was nearly 'shot' by the time they were touring in 73/74 so the track Trilogy became an impossibility (although they never officially performed it live anyway despite a version that is on the net that contradicts this (Keith Emerson didn't consider it to be a proper attempt). My only complaint is that I would rather not have the drum solo parked in KE9 1st impression. 3rd Impression kicks serious ass on this album though and that makes up for it as far as I'm concerned.
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Originally posted by Tendiwa Tendiwa wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ However its the live version that has the fantastic extended Aquatarkus section. If I was choosing only one ELP album to take to a desert island then it would be the live triple album. The whole of Brain Salad Surgery (minus the most complained prog track of all time Benny the Bouncer) and you also get extended versions of Take a Pebble and Tarkus. My only gripe is that they didn't include the shorter live encore version of Pictures At An Exhibition on the album which was played at the 1974 Anaheim show. Presumably this was because it had already been released in an extended format but I would still have loved to have it.
You mean Welcome Back My Friends to the Show That Never Ends?
 

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I have still to hear that one
Though to be fair, I was never that into ELP to begin with so my lust for exploring further pretty much stopped after purchasing Tarkus and sampling Brain Salad Surgery.
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I changed my mind.

Don't give ELP another try.

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I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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Haha nice one LOL

But honestly I'm enjoying ELP. I'm now listening to the Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends live album and it's really good!
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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why or how would it help? It's just one man's opinion. 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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They say John Peel could have been an electrician. What a waste.
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Funny how it's easy to bag on John Peel because he didn't like ELP. Many critics didn't like prog rock — rather, they were selective, they liked some, not all. And many disliked ELP more than their contemporaries.

John Peel named Tangerine Dream's 1973 record (their fourth) Atem "Album of the Year." That gave their next album, the now legendary Phaedra, the ability to hit 15th place on the U.K. Albums Chart virtually on the power of word of mouth (it only sold 6K units in their home base, DEU).

Diff'rent strokes, folks.
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^ No sh*t Sherlock, Peel was also a massive fan of the Nice.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ No sh*t Sherlock, Peel was also a massive fan of the Nice.
 

YOU may say "no sh*t," Igor, but I wager there are many people who still haven't a clue about the Peel-TD connection. Wink

The point you missed: Don't let one man's opinion dictate, let alone deter, your musical path.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ No sh*t Sherlock, Peel was also a massive fan of the Nice.
 

YOU may say "no sh*t," Igor, but I wager there are many people who still haven't a clue about the Peel-TD connection. Wink

The point you missed: Don't let one man's opinion dictate, let alone deter, your musical path.


I've posted on numerous occasions on PA that I'm an unashamed ELP fanboy and have reviewed 13 of their albums and 7 by the Nice in abundantly positive terms so get a clue super sleuth. In other news, TD is music for unsolicited sperm donors (but each to their own)
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For what it's worth i was the exact same way liking only the debut album but i recently played the first four albums in order and i liked them much more than i ever did in the past. So something clicked. While ELP will never be a top notch band in my world, i have to admit that by giving them another try changed my dislike to like :)

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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The quote would have been more effective if he had left out the bit about talent. He recognised they had talent and for many (myself included) that is massively important. I am really not going to listen to countless thousands of talentless ****'s out there when I can have Keith Emerson ,Greg lake and Carl Palmer doing their thing. Of course there were ridiculously pretentious and were never able write a 'masterpiece' about the human condition or whatever is deemed important and passes for music. They were far too busy tearing up the rule book and having sh*tloads of fun. It all ended badly with any number of poor decisions that permanently damaged their reputations but if ever there was a band that never looked over its shoulder or worried about what others were doing it was ELP.  
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No. Give up !!
If you don’t like them now, you never will. Try Love Beach. That has been known to convert many strugglers.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ No sh*t Sherlock, Peel was also a massive fan of the Nice.
 

YOU may say "no sh*t," Igor, but I wager there are many people who still haven't a clue about the Peel-TD connection. Wink

The point you missed: Don't let one man's opinion dictate, let alone deter, your musical path.


I've posted on numerous occasions on PA that I'm an unashamed ELP fanboy and have reviewed 13 of their albums and 7 by the Nice in abundantly positive terms so get a clue super sleuth.

No, I don't need to. You just made it abundantly clear you completely misread my post, as though I were addressing you directly. I was not. I'm also an ELP fan (I made that clear earlier). Now, go and reread my statement and ease up on the vinegar, willya? Wink 

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

In other news, TD is music for unsolicited sperm donors (but each to their own)
 

TD isn't for everyone. Neither is ELP. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I read somewhere....that John Peel once said that 'ELP was a waste of talent and electricity.'
Does that help you decide...?
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The quote would have been more effective if he had left out the bit about talent. He recognised they had talent and for many (myself included) that is massively important. I am really not going to listen to countless thousands of talentless ****'s out there when I can have Keith Emerson ,Greg lake and Carl Palmer doing their thing. Of course there were ridiculously pretentious and were never able write a 'masterpiece' about the human condition or whatever is deemed important and passes for music. They were far too busy tearing up the rule book and having sh*tloads of fun. It all ended badly with any number of poor decisions that permanently damaged their reputations but if ever there was a band that never looked over its shoulder or worried about what others were doing it was ELP.
 

Clap ELP in a nutshell. Keith made the world safe for a rock band led by keyboards, not guitar.
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ELP seem forever to be trapped in a 'no-win' situation: their detractors think they took themselves too seriously while much of the fan base don't think them serious enough (hence the flak that Benny, Jeremy, Eddy and the Sherriff attract)  Confused
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It's interesting how some prog bands seem more famous now then when they were around the first time(Camel and Gentle Giant come to mind)but with ELP it's just the opposite. They were pretty huge in the seventies and just behind Yes(and PF if you want to include them)as far as popularity goes but these days they can't seem to catch a break even among prog fans. Even prog fans will say they were pretentious, too bombastic and gave prog a bad name etc. While they aren't on the very top of my list I enjoy them a lot and think they were one of the most important prog bands of the first wave. Even though I'm probably a bigger KC fan over all I will say I think the first ELP album is better than "court." Maybe I should just leave this site now and return my prog card. :P 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Even though I'm probably a bigger KC fan over all I will say I think the first ELP album is better than "court." Maybe I should just leave this site now and return my prog card. :P 

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Nah, I'm more of less with you. ITCOTCK, while I do like it a lot, ELP's debut really knocks my socks off every time and has this atmosphere to it that feels so pure. I probably prefer it.
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