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Sacro_Porgo 
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 Posted: April 22 2020 at 02:36 |
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The first couple times I heard Foxtrot, Time Table was probably my favorite track. Gorgeous little piece, would've made a fine single.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 02:39 |
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Same. More Fool Me would rank as an absolute highlight on any soft rock or singer songwriter album in the 70s, but since it's on a prog rock record it gets a lot of flack for not being prog enough. Of course there was a recent thread where someone claimed Siberian Khatru was disco and totally didn't fit on a prog album, so who knows what's prog enough for a prog album?
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 02:42 |
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Before you anyone on this board, you little  , would you care to correct the first  word in your signature??    |
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 02:44 |
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Not a Star Wars fan I take it? And sorry if that emoji is offensive. It was the first one I saw that accurately conveyed my confusion at someone saying Siberian Khatru is disco.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:01 |
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Who said anything about vinyl?! I'm just playing fantasy album mash-up. SEBTP is one of my all time favourite albums, but it isn't perfect due to TBOEF. So it can't compete with (e.g.) The Human Equation, Weather Systems, Misplaced Childhood, The Road Of Bones, Images And Words... (for the same reason that Money spoils DSOTM) But, if SEBTP had included Supper's Ready, and not TBOEF, then (in IMHO) it would probably be the best of the whole lot...  |
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:03 |
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Oh, and surely TBOEF is more like 19 minutes, not 11? It sure as hell feels like it....
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:07 |
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lol
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:08 |
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Fair. I had thought you meant you wished Genesis had saved SR for SEBTP and cut Epping Forest to make room for it.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:19 |
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Nah, the smiley wasn't offensive (at least to me) as I don't consider SK disco as well And OK, now I +/- get it (though I'm not familiar at all with Star Wars), but more via your username than the saga itself, since I don't know who or what porg is (it sounds like porc - hence my smiley) . It's a weird play on words, than, I suppose?? BTW: confusion would be more like
 than the - wghich seems more like whackiness to me. |
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Sacro_Porgo
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 03:29 |
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Ah yes, that's the one I was looking for, thank you! And yeah, I just find it a funny little play on words since Star Wars has a creature called a Porg and that's so close to the word prog.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 04:21 |
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The song is a bit wordy, but still a great piece of Prog. I’ve never met any Genesis fan that dislikes it though.
P.S. - I love Rutherford’s Bass tone - just a great, almost glassy Rickenbacker sound - Squire never got this tone. |
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richardh
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Posted: April 22 2020 at 23:57 |
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that is indeed a beautiful song. Foxtrot is an album I don't find any fault with although Watcher Of The Skies tends to be the slightly controversial track for some reason.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 01:59 |
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the A-side is rather flawed IMHO Not a fan of Watcher (the intro last way too long), Friday is relatively good (but the band has yet to find its ground with those rock operas - Epping Forest will be much better), Timetable is really not good. Only Can Utility is ultra-great and I even find it superior to Supper, because it condenses everything they can do in less than 6 minutes. |
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 03:17 |
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The real controversy are those people who rate the collins sung abortion above the best rock opera that Genesis produced. I often fantasise about digital and CD being invented in 1970...Then you have SEBTP....
DOWTMK..13:02.. IKWIL...6:09.. FOF..21:12.. BOEF...23:49.. TCS...16:00.. In fact when I retire and convert my double garage into a recording studio, I may start a project to extend my fave symphonic prog...its a good retirement plan to have... |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 04:29 |
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^ More Fool Me is a quaint little ditty. Sweet and innocent. How could you refer to it as a ‘Collins sung abortion’ ?? Bit harsh methinks.
And After the Ordeal is quite a lovely instrumental. I’d never ditch anything on SEBTP. |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 05:46 |
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More Fool Me prevents SEBTP from being the truly perfect prog gem many claim it to be, IMHO.
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 07:44 |
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I just dont get what's so offensively bad about More Fool Me
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 07:48 |
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It is short and soon over, which is its saving grace. The same cannot be said for Epping Forest which drags on 5 or 6 minutes longer than its expiration date, hence its stench.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 08:59 |
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Not short enough, IMHO. 1- Even at the same length as (the much-better) For Absent Friends (1'30") it would still overstay its welcome by its entire duration. 2- MFM is totally out of context of the album's concept, which is about the collapse of the British Empire and the decadence of the English model. 3- musically, it's completely dire and dry (downright poor, I should be tempted to write), even when compared to the other less complex tracks (Wardrobe and Ordeal) 4- I'm not even sure Collins would find a spot for this MFM track on his 80's solo albums, however poor & suckish they would be.
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Posted: April 23 2020 at 09:48 |
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RE OP: The music sucks.
I don't hear/am not interested in lyrics, thus I don't know what it's about (or particularly care).
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