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    Posted: April 10 2020 at 09:08
Don´t know has this been discussed before, but the time I have been here I haven´t seen this kind of thread.

This came to my mind today when I listened first time Terry Riley´s "a Rainbow In a Curved Air" (that I find really fascinating). I am not sure is Terry Riley categorised as "contemporary classical music" -composer, but that´s not the point. All my life I have seen attitude from "common man" who listens just popular music, that contemporary classical music is just art for art´s sake no-one can really understand. I just wonder, is it same in "common" proglistener (whatever it is)? I suppose proglisteners could be more open also to contemporary classical music. Also, I think it really has influenced less of more at least some progartists.

I have always tried not to have any attitudes towards any music. But have to say I am not also a big expert of the genre of this thread. Also I haven´t seen lots of mentions about it here. Stockhausen has mentioned, I have listened from him Gesang Der Jünglinlinge/ Kontakte -album and I have really liked the first one. Going to listen him more. Only other connection to CCM I have through Sonic Youth, who released album where they played their favorite pieces from that genre (there are compositions from Christian Wolff, Pauline Oliveros, James Tenney, John Cage, Takehisa Kosugi, Yoko Ono, Nicolas Slonimsky, Cornelius Cardew, George Maciunas & Steve Reich. Not my favorite album, but quite interesting anyway). Then I have had less or more interest to artist somewhere in the middle of CCM and popular music as Pekka Airaksinen (my biggest fav of the artists I have mentioned here), Nurse With Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten. Faust is my really big favorite, I think it´s closest from the progartists to CCM.

So how about you? I know many likes for example Tangerine Dream, that I think also have at least some connections to CCM. I made recently a review from Terry Riley/John Cale Church Of Anthrax and noticed reviews made from his albums at least few almost every year, but not seen here any Terry Riley-thread.
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Going to Big Ears every year has opened up my listening to contemporary classical. I also can you it from the Minimalist Jazz approach listening to a lot of Nik Bartsch Ronin & The Necks led to Reich, Riley and the like. I wouldn't say it's a large part of my collection but its certainly an area that's expanding and I'm enjoying exploring. 
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"Contemporary classic" is a bit of a misnomer, how did they earn the "classic" tag? It's even worse than prog. Tongue But I see that even Wikipedia calls it "contemporary classical", so I'll have to accept that, as I accept the label prog, grudgingly.
I actually listen to quite a bit of this. Big fan of Gyoergy Ligeti. This is a thing of beauty (actually quite accessible):


As always categorisation is hard and there are connections to avantgarde improvised music that I also like, and even to prog - much recent Art Zoyd is actually contemporary "classic" in my view, certainly the Experiences De Vol series, probably also David Sylvian's last album. I also see the Tangerine Dream connection, particularly Zeit. I do like some minimalist stuff as well, e.g. much of Steve Reich. In fact, as well as regarding prog and other music, I tend to prefer those who extend and go beyond the genre borders rather than being safely inside.
Anyway, Stockhausen has some monster material, there's Conlon Nancarrow, etc.
I shouldn't pretend I'm a top expert... I'm not so much looking out for stuff than appreciating what crosses my path, so to say...


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I like some Philip Glass music. However, I'm not really a fan of classical music, contemporary or otherwise (except perhaps Béla Bartók).
 
 
 


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I'm a big classical music fan, yet I generally prefer older stuff. Especially The Baroque.
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No...don't listen to modern 'classical' material......I do like the old stuff though like Mozart, Bach, Vivaldi, etc...
but maybe it's time to broaden my listening areas.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

"Contemporary classic" is a bit of a misnomer, how did they earn the "classic" tag? It's even worse than prog. Tongue But I see that even Wikipedia calls it "contemporary classical", so I'll have to accept that, as I accept the label prog, grudgingly.
I actually listen to quite a bit of this. Big fan of Gyoergy Ligeti. This is a thing of beauty (actually quite accessible):


Ligeti is excellent.
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I don't listen to it as often as I used to, but it has certainly been important to me. I'm a huge fan of György Ligeti, whom I originally discovered through 2001: A Space Odyssey after which I bought a compilation disc of his music by Deutsche Grammophon. The sounds of that disc actually scared me the first time I heard them but I gradually became more enthralled by them and thus my interest in the discipline was born. Reading Alex Ross's book The Rest Is Noise: Listening To The 20th Century helped me gain better insight in the developments and notable works in classical music during that century.
Out of the post-WW2 avant-garde composers, I count Ligeti, Iannis Xenakis, Alfred Schnittke, Pierre Schaeffer, Krzysztof Penderecki, Conlon Nancarrow, George Antheil and Helmut Lachenmann among my favourites and if we count the minimalists I'll also mention that the music of Steve Reich and John Adams is of a hypnotic serenity.
Any fans of King Crimson who don't know much about classical music should immediately listen to Béla Bartók's fourth string quartet or Igor Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring.
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I like a lot of contemporary classical composers, like Jennifer Higdon, Terry Riley, John Cage and many others. I am the morning is a good example, their music can be appealing to prog listeners as well as Classical music lovers. I've always stick to the principle that "if I find the music good, I'll listen to it" no matter the label that's been stamped on it.
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I listen to some of it, Riley, Part, Lord, especially, but still prefer older styles. 
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I'm not remotely convinced that Tangerine Dream, Nurse With Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten or Faust are even tenuously related to anything that could be considered 'contemporary classical' although I do like some of their output but no, I have no idea what the label means either. Ermm

I'm very fond of Stockhausen's Gesang Der Jünglinlinge, Don Sebesky's early 70's classical adaptations, Dutilleux's Metaboles, Alberto Ginastera, (some) Xenakis, Charles Ives, Kalevi Aho's 2nd Piano Concerto, Ligeti's Piano Concerto, Lutoslawski, (some) James McMillan, (some) Peter Maxwell Davies, (some) Messiaen, Gavin Bryars' Jesus' Blood Never Failed Me Yet, Penderecki, Horatio Radulescu, Mark Antony-Turnage & John Scofield's Scorched etc but couldn't really put forward a cogent argument that any are 'contemporary classical' (apart from they're not all dead and none sound like Bach, Handel or Beethoven)


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I do sometimes, but mostly by attending concerts with the local symphony orchestra which - from time to other - plays something by contemporary composers.

One of the more recent btw. was the premiere performance of the Concerto for Hammond Organ and Orchestra by the Danish composer Anders Koppel (also known from early Savage Rose among other things).I'm unsure of what to think of it though, especially as it mixes rock cliches into a classical form. So it's a rather odd piece overall.

Apart from that, they occasionally play post-1945 music by Ligeti, Boulez, Cage etc., and I sometimes listen to this myself. I'm particularly fond of John Cage who also happens to be a big inspiration on some of my favourite rock musicians. Another favourite is the Danish absurdist avant-garde composer Pelle Gudmundsen Holmgreen. I wouldn't call Ligeti, Boulez, Cage etc. contemporary though.

Then there is the term 'classical' which - strictly speaking - refers to music of the classicist period, but in lack of a better overall term, I accept it.


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Just have to say it´s really great this thread woke that much great posts just so little time!!

And, the most important to me post here is that I just forgot to mention Harry Partch! I believe there are many that don´t put him into CCM at all (specially in CCM incast) but I think he´s really one of the great ones in 20th century music!

And really, I took that term from wikipedia, just how it was translated from Finnish. Really I can´t say who belongs to it and who doesn´t, all I am interested is how many people listens music that really is too "arty" of the common music listeners.
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I consider Stravinskij and Dvorak as contemporary, but in the sense of the post I like Ligety a lot.
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In regard to the actually-contemporary (i.e. alive, working) I don't know many composers but I enjoy Giya Kancheli, Kaija Saariaho, Thomas Adès and Erkki-Sven Tüür.

Tüür, incidentally, is the only “respectable” composer I know of who used to be in a prog band.

EDIT: Just discovered that Kancheli actually died last year

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Hi,

Not as much as I would like to, but you can find the likes of Riley, Penderecki, Cage, Ives, Davies and many others in my collection ... but these days, retired, it's hard to spend a wee bit more money on a lot of this music, which is very enjoyable for me, but not my driving force.

A sidebar comment about TD ... for my ears, TD WAS extremely symphonic/classical until EF passed away, and it has become very metallic/methodical/machine oriented since his passing ... his touch was in the area of classical music, always add bits and pieces that made the music better, and this was very evident with the ladies and guitars in it ... the orchestration side of the music, was the highlight ... and this is completely gone.

It says a lot more about their music than we actually thought in my ears.


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I most certainly enjoy contemporary classical.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2020 at 04:01
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I consider Stravinskij and Dvorak as contemporary, but in the sense of the post I like Ligety a lot.

Even Ligeti is dead though. (I know I brought him up myself... at least he's contemporary enough that I once exchanged  a (very) few words with him.)


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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

In regard to the actually-contemporary (i.e. alive, working) I don't know many composers but I enjoy Giya Kancheli, Kaija Saariaho, Thomas Adès and Erkki-Sven Tüür.

Tüür, incidentally, is the only “respectable” composer I know of who used to be in a prog band.

EDIT: Just discovered that Kancheli actually died last year
Have to say, that Saariaho is one of those composers whose music I have never understood. Maybe you can recommend me some of her easiest stuff?
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