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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


^ You asked for it barney. LOL

Aye, but next mosh will be getting his astrology mixed up with astronomy, easy for post modernists who class both the same anyway with more credence given to the former...naturally😎

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2020 at 14:56
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


^ You asked for it barney. LOL

Aye, but next mosh will be getting his astrology mixed up with astronomy, easy for post modernists who class both the same anyway with more credence given to the former...naturally😎

Hi,

You're the one confused ... astrology has not a whole lot of astronomy, specially when the position of the planets are not even correct!

However, like everything else, many folks can find meanings in everything ... including your tea leaves and trash! Confused
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2020 at 15:09
Interesting, I told that astronomy astrology anecdote in the boxes thread without looking at this topic which relates to the same thing. It's like the stars aligned or something. Excuse me if I repeat it here:

[Regarding Psychics and Psychologists]

l'm reminded of a story I heard on the radio relayed by an astronomer. This anecdote is to the best of my recollection with some embellishment, no doubt. He was at some sort of function and was approached by a seemingly wealthy Texan. The Texan asked, "What do you do? I'm in oil." The astronomer replied, "I'm the Astronomer Royal". The Texan replied, "Really, wow, so you tell the Queen her fortune? That's fascinating. Hey, got any predictions for me?" The astronomer replied, "Oil prices will continue to fluctuate over time". The Texan looked unimpressed. Feeling awkward, the astronomer said, "You might have misheard me, I'm the Astronomer Royal, not the Astrologer Royal, but we also make predictions... using astronomical data". "Oh, "said the Texan, "All right then", and walked off. I wondered if the Texan was joking and the astronomer didn't get the joke, or, well, I could see that being an easy mistake to make, especially in a crowded room. Royal Astrologer does have a historical ring to it.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zwordser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2020 at 11:12
I have no major gripes, especially with the ability to use filters.  So, if there's a sub-genre you don't like or don't think is Prog, or whatever, just filter it out!  Easy enough to do.

The filters are also good for seeing what lesser-known bands are getting good ratings--with the default settings, they tend to get bumped out by better know albums/bands.  The Maximum Number of Ratings setting is especially useful for finding great music that is less-well known.  I've been setting it to 100 to find some excellent bands (try it if you haven't--see what comes up).  I also recently tried 50, and saw that I hadn't heard most of the music! You can also filter by country, which has been useful for me, as I'm planning some radio programs (as a DJ) that highlight the best Prog from various regions (Latin America, France, Eastern Europe, etc.)

So, anyway, I use the filters for researching lesser know music, and encourage the same for others on this site.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gooner666 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2020 at 08:47
My biggest issue is trying to find some titles and find they are out of print or they are asking an exorbitant price for them. Would be nice if they would just offer flac downloads or if there was a way to share some of these titles that are out of print legally...
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Dark side of the Moon is not better than Foxtrot.
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Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

Dark side of the Moon is not better than Foxtrot.

This is also true
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Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

Dark side of the Moon is not better than Foxtrot.

That's a pointless remark since both albums are rated at 4.60. 

They are also "apples and oranges" if you ask me, so comparing them is kinda pointless, too. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

Dark side of the Moon is not better than Foxtrot.


That's a pointless remark since both albums are rated at 4.60. 

They are also "apples and oranges" if you ask me, so comparing them is kinda pointless, too. 

Aye...im listening to foxtrot now...DSOTM not prog anyway....AOR is it skywalker...
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And good tho Gilmour is....he had to bend his knee to the liquid ghostly hackett master...suppers ready is genius...the AOR effort is not...
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DSOTM is in the same category as Boston, Styx, Asia, Foreigner??? I don’t think so.^^^
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And good tho Gilmour is....he had to bend his knee to the liquid ghostly hackett master...suppers ready is genius...the AOR effort is not...

"Supper's Ready" is an excellent composition for the most part, but there is nothing really "genius" regarding its make-up. It's just several different snatches of aborted songs (some written by Banks while still at school) welded together with segues. Some themes repeat.

To say DSotM is "AOR" is utter nonsense. In a sense, it is a more complete prog release than Foxtrot, in that the concept of the album is consistent throughout. And sonically speaking, the studio recording of DSotM was light years ahead of Foxtrot, even though they were released within 5 months of each other. Also, the same use of segues from song to song that you consider "genius" on "Supper's Ready" is better used and more fleshed out throughout DSotM. Even "Money" variates from an odd 7/4 time signature to 4/4 on the blues scale lead and then back again.

Your mistake is one I've seen often on PA: that an album cannot possible be progressive if it sold 45 million copies and stayed on the charts for 900 weeks total -- because in order to be prog an album can only have had an original release of 10 copies sold to the band's parents. So Foxtrot may fit that mold, given that it didn't even chart in the States on its first release.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

 
Aye...im listening to foxtrot now...DSOTM not prog anyway....AOR is it skywalker...

LOL

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My Biggest gripe is that Abacab Is not number one. I think of this because Abacab has the best song that will ever be Who Dunnit. This is the best song in the world. it is so good i think it should be the UN's national anthem. I think that Phil Collins should be put as the world Leader because if a man can make a masterpiece like Who Dunnit then he can lead the world in politics. All other forms of media should be destroyed because they distract us from the glorious song that is Who Dunnit. 

Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, 


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Anyway DSOTM ,never been a massive fan but when it's performed live it's something else. It can be taken as a complete conceptual piece as said. I will always prefer Foxtrot but as someone else said its Apples and Oranges. 
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Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

My Biggest gripe is that Abacab Is not number one. I think of this because Abacab has the best song that will ever be Who Dunnit. This is the best song in the world. it is so good i think it should be the UN's national anthem. I think that Phil Collins should be put as the world Leader because if a man can make a masterpiece like Who Dunnit then he can lead the world in politics. All other forms of media should be destroyed because they distract us from the glorious song that is Who Dunnit. 

Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, 


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Are you one of those listeners that still believes that Phil ruined Genesis, that he is solely to blame for Genesis going pop? If you watch Genesis interviews, you'll see that Rutherford was the first one to be tired of doing progressive, long songs, after all his tearjerker ballad Your Own Special Way is the first proof. 

If you look at the song writing credits for Abacab, Collins wrote only one song - Man on the Corner. 
Banks - Me and Sarah Jane and Rutherford - Like It or Not. All the other songs are all three of them. 

Whodunnit was meant to be a joke, was put on the album as joke, and it started with Banks goofing on the syhths. In the end, it was Banks idea to keep it and put it on the album, instead of You Might Recall. He admits it himself. What has always puzzled me is that they rejected some songs, or used as B-sides that were much better than some of the songs on the album, just listen to the 1976-1992 archives compilation (for example Submarine, You Might Recall, Naminanu). 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by A Bard A Bard wrote:

My Biggest gripe is that Abacab Is not number one. I think of this because Abacab has the best song that will ever be Who Dunnit. This is the best song in the world. it is so good i think it should be the UN's national anthem. I think that Phil Collins should be put as the world Leader because if a man can make a masterpiece like Who Dunnit then he can lead the world in politics. All other forms of media should be destroyed because they distract us from the glorious song that is Who Dunnit. 

Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins,Hail Who Dunnit, Hail glorious comrade Phil Collins, 


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Are you one of those listeners that still believes that Phil ruined Genesis, that he is solely to blame for Genesis going pop? If you watch Genesis interviews, you'll see that Rutherford was the first one to be tired of doing progressive, long songs, after all his tearjerker ballad Your Own Special Way is the first proof. 

If you look at the song writing credits for Abacab, Collins wrote only one song - Man on the Corner. 
Banks - Me and Sarah Jane and Rutherford - Like It or Not. All the other songs are all three of them. 

Whodunnit was meant to be a joke, was put on the album as joke, and it started with Banks goofing on the syhths. In the end, it was Banks idea to keep it and put it on the album, instead of You Might Recall. He admits it himself. What has always puzzled me is that they rejected some songs, or used as B-sides that were much better than some of the songs on the album, just listen to the 1976-1992 archives compilation (for example Submarine, You Might Recall, Naminanu). 


 


 No I did not like the direction that genesis went but, i don't think that Phil ruined genesis. Even if everyone stayed they probably would of gone pop.  I didn't do as much research in genesis as you have. I'am just making fun of Who Dunnit and i have nothing against Phil Collins       
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I made no mistake...DSOTM...is very poor when you compare with WYWH and A. Good production does not make it special. I only like one track...ACYL...However, Foxtrot is far superior to my ears....I think that it is a typical dichotomy that splits this site assunder..into sorry hemispheres...

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DSOM blows away Animals, one of the greatest albums musically and lyrically in my lifetime (63 years)
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