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Poll Question: Was Fragile an improvement on TYA by Yes?
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.

You know the face on the cover of Court of the Crimson King? Yeah thats the face I made when I read this comment.

It's a good thing you weren't drinking water(or anything else)otherwise you would have spat all over your computer monitor.  LOL


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1. Fragile
2. TFTO
3. CTTE
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Yes. Every record got better and better from 1969-1975, with CTTE being my personal favorite.

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I think they're pretty even tbh. Both solid 4 star efforts.
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Yes. Every record got better and better from 1969-1975, with CTTE being my personal favorite.


Peaked with TYA. Classic
Fragile was pretty good
CTTE fairly good but things are dropping off. Pretty obvious they’re struggling to compose 40 minutes of excellence. Let’s just drag out 3 good songs instead LOL
Tales is interesting enough but not can’t be bothered listening to 2 albums of musical pray
Relayer. A lesser version of CTTE
GFTO has its moments but the production is terrible and the band hadn’t sounded fun since Bruford left
Tormato is the closest they sounded to the old Yes. A bit like Fragile but with a funny synth sound. But at least a lot less filler and more melody.
Bit boring these days. Didn’t enjoy CTTE like I used to when I revisited it recently. They got a big for their boots and thought they could stop being fun. Wakeman was the one that could have given them the edge, but they basically fazed him out with tales. Howe and Anderson were just a bit serious
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I'd rate them both the same in my book. Both spend a lot of time on the turntable.
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Fragile is my fave Yes album
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In fact this one is rather easy for me. As I always consider Fragile as weaker Yes effort (hardly know why... but I really like only Roundabout and South Side from this record ...), TYA is obvious choice for me. It's strange because I love Wakeman years in Yes usually. But when Howe entered the train on TYA, it was great big leap forward. Wakeman's entering on Fragile wasn't such great IMO. It took a little time to settle things and Fragile was only slow start. CttE, Tales or GFTO were great and with Relayer probably the best Yes records.
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I prefer The Yes Album even though it doesn't have Wakeman.  I just like the songs better. 
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Fragile is perfect. As is. Solo pieces and all. (And it's not as if The Yes Album didn't have "Clap" already.)

Both are amazing but Fragile is better.
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Yes. Every record got better and better from 1969-1975, with CTTE being my personal favorite.


Peaked with TYA. Classic
Fragile was pretty good
CTTE fairly good but things are dropping off. Pretty obvious they’re struggling to compose 40 minutes of excellence. Let’s just drag out 3 good songs instead LOL
Tales is interesting enough but not can’t be bothered listening to 2 albums of musical pray
Relayer. A lesser version of CTTE
GFTO has its moments but the production is terrible and the band hadn’t sounded fun since Bruford left
Tormato is the closest they sounded to the old Yes. A bit like Fragile but with a funny synth sound. But at least a lot less filler and more melody.
Bit boring these days. Didn’t enjoy CTTE like I used to when I revisited it recently. They got a big for their boots and thought they could stop being fun. Wakeman was the one that could have given them the edge, but they basically fazed him out with tales. Howe and Anderson were just a bit serious
 

I actually agree with the GFTO comment but only that. I'll pick up this one though:

Relayer. A lesser version of CTTE 

because it has 3 songs presumably?

The epic on CTTE (much like Supers Ready) is not a proper self contained epic as Gates is. Those 2 tracks are so different although I love both. How on earth are To Be Over (Steel guitar countryish sound) and Sound Chaser (fusion-ish and I find a bit painful personally) anything like And You And I (sublime cosmic Anderson at his best imo) and Siberian Khatru ( sort of studio jam peice , very spontaneous to my ears , arguably 'filler' but good nevertheless)

Two albums but very different animals . I prefer CTTE overall although Gates is the best thing they ever did imo.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Yes. Every record got better and better from 1969-1975, with CTTE being my personal favorite.


Peaked with TYA. Classic
Fragile was pretty good
CTTE fairly good but things are dropping off. Pretty obvious they’re struggling to compose 40 minutes of excellence. Let’s just drag out 3 good songs instead LOL
Tales is interesting enough but not can’t be bothered listening to 2 albums of musical pray
Relayer. A lesser version of CTTE
GFTO has its moments but the production is terrible and the band hadn’t sounded fun since Bruford left
Tormato is the closest they sounded to the old Yes. A bit like Fragile but with a funny synth sound. But at least a lot less filler and more melody.
Bit boring these days. Didn’t enjoy CTTE like I used to when I revisited it recently. They got a big for their boots and thought they could stop being fun. Wakeman was the one that could have given them the edge, but they basically fazed him out with tales. Howe and Anderson were just a bit serious
 

I actually agree with the GFTO comment but only that. I'll pick up this one though:
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because it has 3 songs presumably?

The epic on CTTE (much like Supers Ready) is not a proper self contained epic as Gates is. Those 2 tracks are so different although I love both. How on earth are To Be Over (Steel guitar countryish sound) and Sound Chaser (fusion-ish and I find a bit painful personally) anything like And You And I (sublime cosmic Anderson at his best imo) and Siberian Khatru ( sort of studio jam peice , very spontaneous to my ears , arguably 'filler' but good nevertheless)

Two albums but very different animals . I prefer CTTE overall although Gates is the best thing they ever did imo.





Gates starts off great but it just gets weaker the longer it goes. To be over is a nice tune. I don’t really like sound chaser much. Sounds a bit silly lol. Khatru is my fave on Ctte although it drops off a bit half way through. Ctte title track has a similar formula to khatru. Strong start then fades out. And you and I is solid. I enjoy 69 Yes more these days. Time and a word, No opportunity, Dear father, Prophet etc. Cool stuff
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Fragile is perfect. As is. Solo pieces and all. (And it's not as if The Yes Album didn't have "Clap" already.)

Both are amazing but Fragile is better.

It's very, very close for me but if I were to chose I would proabably say Fragile as well but really it's almost a toss up(I voted both on here(option number two)regardless. I think maybe because Fragile was the first classic album I bought on my own(not counting classic Yes)is maybe part of the reason for me. But it goes places that TYA doesn't but then again the next few subsequently go places the previous ones haven't. That was how their evolution evolved. I don't feel they brought anything new to the table(as far as prog rock goes)by the time they put out Going for the One though.


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Hi,

(... this is an honest reflection! Please stop here, otherwise!)

I find that idea that one album was better than the other very strange, since we could all say it was the "same person", maybe a year or two older.

If I look back at my 21st year I would say that you had a person struggling horribly with English and having a really hard time understanding things in school, and then having to take a SAT that showed a high score in Math and a very low score in the English part of it, which was very difficult to over come in order to be able to get to college and then university.

I have never thought of Sgt Peppers as an improvement of the previous album, or anything that similar, just like I have never thought that one of Picasso's paintings was an improvement on his previous style ... and this question is scary for me ... the value that is being placed on each of these albums is, in my estimation, misplaced and disappointing ... an artist lives and dies for his/her music ... it is WHO THEY ARE and what they do, and thinking they were idiots at 21 is not a good thing ... even if many of us will say such things, more in humor than otherwise, but in my case this is not true! I wasn't smoking a cigarette to show how intelligent and smart I was. I was not toking a joint to show how happy or cool I was ... but I was doing something else ... listening to an incredible amount of music most of which a lot of my friends did not know it even existed! I didn't think of them any less then, than I do now ... it is what it is and how we grow up AND LEARN from it!

It's easy to say that the band was doing this and that, and that would be our perception, but I seriously doubt that Jon is going to sit here and not appreciate the albums when they came out ... it was the best they could do and come up with, and those efforts are VERY VALUABLE and IMPORTANT to one's growth!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Oxygen just dived off the nearest building..

Hi,

For a reviewer, that comment really says a lot ... at least the thread was honest ...AND ABOUT ART. 

Your comment is personal and unnecessary. Tongue
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Since both are 5 star albums it's difficult to find a response here. The meat in Fragile are the group efforts but there's nothing in the solo pieces that detracts from the rest of the album justifying lowering it's number of stars from five to four.
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Fragile was a big improvement. I dislike the Yes Album by and large.
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Originally posted by Libor10 Libor10 wrote:

In fact this one is rather easy for me. As I always consider Fragile as weaker Yes effort (hardly know why... but I really like only Roundabout and South Side from this record ...), TYA is obvious choice for me. It's strange because I love Wakeman years in Yes usually. But when Howe entered the train on TYA, it was great big leap forward. Wakeman's entering on Fragile wasn't such great IMO. It took a little time to settle things and Fragile was only slow start. CttE, Tales or GFTO were great and with Relayer probably the best Yes records.

With due respect for Peter Banks, who was a really good guitarist, Steve Howe propelled Yes into the stratosphere and that's where they stayed with or without Rick Wakeman. 
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