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Man With Hat 
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 14:29 |
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Definitley. Fragile and CttE are my absolute Yes favourites, with my absolute favourite line-up, not just from Yes, but from any band. And I don't really think the solo bits damage the album. Five Percent for Nothing is way too short to bother. So is We Have Heaven (besides, it's a nice intro to South Side of the Sky). The Fish is, for me, just the bass solo to Long Distance Runaround, and really cool, and LDR just wouldn't sound complete without it following. Mood for a Day is a good piece of music in it's own right. So, it's mostly Cans and Brahms the weak piece, and also not very long, and not even that bad. Once I read that Wakeman wanted to use what later became Catherine of Aragon for his solo part (and so that song features just about all the Yes line-up), which would have made the album perfect indeed, but he wasn't able to do so because of contract reasons (he wasn't able to write music for Yes).
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 14:34 |
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I've always thought so. There's nothing on TYA to compare with Roundabout, South Side of the Sky or Heart of the Sunrise in my book. Then again I often think Fragile might be my favourite album in the symphonic genre and I am perhaps biased.
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 14:36 |
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I'm used to consider The Yes Album, Fragile and CLose to the Edge as three parts of a trilogy. I know it's not so, but I sometimes listen to the three in a row.
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No comparison! Fragile is such a leap ahead in terms of complexity and layering. To me it's like the Starship Enterprise going from Impulse drive to Warp Speed. The Yes Album has always been an "in the right mood" album for me while I could take any part of Fragile, any time.
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 16:20 |
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Option #2 comes closest. Fragile is my #2 Yes album and The Yes album is #3, but with minimal difference.
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 16:29 |
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Depends how one defines 'improvement'. Fragile is a more defined and realized album, but that doesn't necessarily men it was an improvement. I prefer TYA. |
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 16:44 |
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Yes, I think Fragile is better, in general. But, somehow, Fragile is an unbalanced album due to the individual tracks what doesn't happen with The Yes Album.
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Posted: March 14 2020 at 23:22 |
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My answer for that question about greatest Yes-album is YES! Really the Yes album is almost as great, but there are pieces like Roundabout, South Side, Long Distance, Heart Of the Sunshine they go even greater! But still Yours is no Disgrace is my fav Yessong.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 01:32 |
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No, they are about the same/both equally strong ... but The Yes album is one of their finest albums imho.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 02:34 |
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I was a bit too quick to vote for the top option. Yes definitely became a better band but overall there is very little difference between the albums. Both had great tracks and both had bits I don't care for. Both 4 star albums imo.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 02:41 |
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I prefer The Yes Album by quite a margin. Then again I’m one of the few on here who believes that they never bettered that album.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 03:00 |
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In a way, TYA is still a UK proto-prog album, while Fragile is a symph rock one.
I prefer TYA (Kaye's organ and
piano give a great tone to the band), but despite those "dumb" solo
pieces (I mean some are OK, but no more) Fragile is a better album,
because Yes knew where they were going (though the replacement of Kaye
helped only marginally IMHO, by then). But Frigile would be nowhere
without TYA Another thing is that TYA's
artwork and title are really not very good (though I find Fragile's
artwork relatively clumsy by Roger Dean standards) Here is Yes in Belgium, circa the TYA album release |
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 09:58 |
I know who was on what albums--White funky sound on Tales changed Yes' sound---Jon said so at the time and its pretty obvious--and Patrick on Relayer changed it completely for the one album-- not to mention can't hear Bruford playing on that music----and Rick said he would have been wrong on that album. Rabin def changed Yes sound --if you like it than he's important. I find it ok but not real interesting guitar. but we will always disagree on the level of talent---the ones you mention as great talent are not IMO great at all but fairly standard wannabe prog musicians ---you either like Yes west or not--I think its ok not great---Sherwood has not been on one important mind-blowing Yes album so what you think he brings I don't get.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 09:58 |
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 10:03 |
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The problem I've always had with Fragile is that the small bits songs kill the flow of the album. These days I only listen to the long songs.
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 13:06 |
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A good poll question and none of the options quite match my view. I've always put The Yes Album just ahead of Fragile because it is more consistent and less fragmented. However, both have classic tracks that define the band and which have been live staples for decades. However, Rick's keyboard work adds an extra dimension too. On saying that, Tony's more direct style works well on many tracks too. A few of the solo pieces do break up the flow, but the epics such as Heart of the Sunrise, Roundabout and South Side of the Sky are very special. Yet Yours is No Disgrace, Starship Trooper, Perpetual Change etc. are special too. I'm going round in circles and hovering over the second option, but........
One thing is certain - these two plus Close to the Edge form a trilogy that matches the Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound trio from Genesis and is quintessentially prog. Funny how both trilogies were followed by a double concept album which is considered a masterpiece or a misstep by fans in 1973-74. |
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 15:20 |
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I voted both equally strong. TYA has sentimental value for me because my dad owned it and I remember seeing the cover as a kid. It is the very first one I heard although I didn't like it until a bit later. I actually got into Yes first through 90125 as a teen(who else on here can say that
 ). Fragile was one of the first I bought on cassette(after 90125 and classic Yes the first I bought on tape)so I have sentimental reasons for liking that one too. I find that the solo pieces help to make fragile more interesting and while I don't think it's light years above TYA they did up their game a bit in some ways. However, I ultimately went with option 2(about equally as strong).
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 15:24 |
I was actually thinking that earlier today(about how both bands had doubles out around the same time). I think it was just a coincidence. While Genesis kept going and only took a brief break to look for a singer. Yes's hiatus was much longer so they could all do solo albums(a bit of a misstep imo)but ELP's break was just as long(they eventually surfaced also with Works volume 1).
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Posted: March 15 2020 at 16:00 |
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No. Yes dropped off slightly every year from 1970-77.
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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