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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
 
Same.
 
 
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
 
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
 
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Same.
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.


except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.

If Tull is in PF, it's mainly because of their SFTW, HH and Sw albums

We've had talks about changing them from genre, but there was a poll that said they were thought of the epitome of PF.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2020 at 11:05
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.
 
I can accept that, because if TAAB was a prog folk album, I probably wouldn't like it (whereas I do like it... because it rocks).
 
However, Prog Folk is how TAAB is classified by PA, so that's how I classify it for the purpose of these threads.
 
 
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I wouldn't know where to begin or end.  It's the best sub genre just as sure as Leo is the best sign of the zodiac  Embarrassed
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Tull and Strawbs are way more proggy than Fairport and Steeleye.  They are both primarily prog artists, with folk thrown in here and there to varying degrees, Strawbs obviously more than Tull, while Steeleye and Fairport are the opposite.  There may be some other possible miscategorizations but I don't think these are inexplicable at all.  

I think the best way to visualize this is looking at the core run of albums by each artists during their commercial and artistic peaks, which are more or less coincident for arguments sake.  Those of Fairport and Steeleye are folk rock albums, with a bit more prog creeping into Steeleye than into Fairport.  Those of Strawbs are prog folk and those of Tull are eclectic prog, I mean prog folk!  Stackridge?  Who cares?  The best thing they ever did was "Everyone's Gotta Learn Sometime" by Korgis  Tongue


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The administers do their best, and maybe TAAB is not prog folk. Eclectic may be a better choice?

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This is how the poll looks so far after the first count-up of the votes:-
 
1. JETHRO TULL - Thick as a Brick (102 points)
2. ROY HARPER - Stormcock (50 points)
3. COMUS - First Utterance (33 points)
4. ALAN STIVELL - Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 points)
4. THE GHOST - When You're Dead - One Second (30 points)
4. JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play (30 points)
7. JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice & Rats in the Loft (29 points)
8. FLAIRCK - Gevecht met de Engel (20 points)
8. SPIROGYRA - Bells, Boots & Shambles (20 points)
8. DEAD CAN DANCE - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (20 points)
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
 
I just discovered that Stormcock is a Roy Harper album, which puts him at second place in the poll. Smile
 
There's no sign of the Strawbs in the Top 10 so far though.
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Tull and Strawbs are way more proggy than Fairport and Steeleye.  They are both primarily prog artists, with folk thrown in here and there to varying degrees, Strawbs obviously more than Tull, while Steeleye and Fairport are the opposite.  There may be some other possible miscategorizations but I don't think these are inexplicable at all.  

I think the best way to visualize this is looking at the core run of albums by each artists during their commercial and artistic peaks, which are more or less coincident for arguments sake.  Those of Fairport and Steeleye are folk rock albums, with a bit more prog creeping into Steeleye than into Fairport.  Those of Strawbs are prog folk and those of Tull are eclectic prog, I mean prog folk!  Stackridge?  Who cares?  The best thing they ever did was "Everyone's Gotta Learn Sometime" by Korgis  Tongue
We'll agree to disagree....both Fairport and Span belong in that category as much as those named...period. But then I don't run the web site.....or it would be different. Again this is all totally subjective depending on who is calling the shots.
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Btw..some of those that are in the category probably wouldn't even be there..or exist even... if it weren't for bands like Fairport and Span who blazed a path for them.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Btw..some of those that are in the category probably wouldn't even be there..or exist even... if it weren't for bands like Fairport and Span who blazed a path for them.

can't argue with that but that doesn't make them prog folk
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


This is how the poll looks so far after the first count-up of the votes:-
 
1. JETHRO TULL - Thick as a Brick (102 points)
2. ROY HARPER - Stormcock (50 points)
3. COMUS - First Utterance (33 points)
4. ALAN STIVELL - Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 points)
4. THE GHOST - When You're Dead - One Second (30 points)
4. JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play (30 points)
7. JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice & Rats in the Loft (29 points)
8. FLAIRCK - Gevecht met de Engel (20 points)
8. SPIROGYRA - Bells, Boots & Shambles (20 points)
8. DEAD CAN DANCE - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (20 points)


I'm here more out of curiosity for knowing more of Prog Folk, since I hardly know these bands besides Jethro Tull... but I would have expected some Strawbs to be featured in such a list. And from Tull, from a folk perspective, I guess Songs from the Wood should have it's place too.
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1- HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
10- Pentangle - Reflection


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ok here is my list, knowing that the presence and positions of these albums could vary minute by minute

1) Pererin - Teithgan 
2) Strawbs Ghosts
3) Corde Oblique - A Hail of Bitter Almonds
4) Midlake - The Courage of Others
5) Alan Stivell - Renaissance de la Harpe Celtique
6) Clannad - Dulaman
7) Faveravola - Contea dei Cento Castagni
8) Itoiz - Ezekiel
9) Perry Leopold - Christian Lucifer
10) Moving Hearts - Moving Hearts

I left out Tull's TAAB because it's not really prog folk and will probably win anyway.  I love SFTW and HH but it's not quite top 10 love
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I'll give this a go as progressive folk is one of my favourite catagories. There are so many to choose from. I'm much more of a folky than a rocker at heart. I do tend to favour acid folk.

1. Perry Leopold - Christian Lucifer
2. Comus - First Utterance
3. Spirogra - St. Radigunds
4. Pierrot Lunaire - Gudrun
5. Aktuala - Aktuala
6. Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms
7. Ragnarök - Ragnarök
8. The Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter
9. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
10. Pearls Before Swine - The Use Of Ashes

There are so many others I could have gone for.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.


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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.



And you would be correct...but our resident expert kennethlevine says no, nay , not so, never.....

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.



And you would be correct...but our resident expert kennethlevine says no, nay , not so, never.....

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actually I agree about Pentangle  Big smile
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Same.
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.


except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.

If Tull is in PF, it's mainly because of their SFTW, HH and Sw albums

We've had talks about changing them from genre, but there was a poll that said they were thought of the epitome of PF.

I missed that poll! Tull has always been more of a rock or blues rock band to me; their folkiness is often minimal and/or incidental. I think I often feel the same about a lot of the Strawbs, Roy Harper, Fuschsia, and even John Martyn: Folk Rock. 

The epitome or essence of Prog Folk would be, for me, Gryphon or Pererin or Spirogyra or Fotheringay or Iona or Midlake or Corde Oblique or Faun or some of Ant Phillips work (Geese and Private Pieces) or Holderlein
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I'd love to have included the votes for Harmonium in my Prog Folk poll, but they're in the Symphonic Prog section of PA. Smile
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