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    Posted: March 14 2020 at 05:13
Here's your chance to help determine  the Top 10 Prog Folk Albums of all time. Simply list your ten favourite  Prog Folk albums by *ten different artists* in order of preference below and then I'll assign points to the albums as follows:-
 
1st album - 30 points
2nd album - 20 points
3rd album - 15 points
4th album - 12 points
5th album - 10 points
6th album - 6 points
7th album - 5 points
8th album - 4 points
9th album - 3 points
10th album - 2 points
 
Remember, it's just one album per artist and these are albums that are categorized as Prog Folk by ProgArchives definition. Smile Here's a handy link to the PA Top 100 Prog Folk albums:= http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=6&top=100
 
Here's my Top 10 to get the Prog Folk ball rolling:-
 
1. THE GHOST - When You're Dead - One Second (30 points)
2. SPIROGYRA - Bells, Boots & Shambles (20 points)
3. FUCHSIA - Fuchsia (15 points)
4. RAMASES - Space Hymns (12 points)
5. DEAD CAN DANCE - Anastasis (10 points)
6. AGINCOURT - Fly Away (6 points)
7. ITHACA - A Game for All Who Know (5 points)
8. TUDOR LODGE - Tudor Lodge (4 points)
9. TRADER HORNE - Morning Way (3 points)
10. THE SALLYANGIE - Children of the Sun (2 points)
 
I have a feeling one of Jethro Tull's albums might win this poll, but I could be wrong. Smile


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Wait... PA counts harmonium as Symphonic prog? I mean, I guess but I thought they were textbook prog folk. Strange.

Anyways I haven’t heard enough to make a list, obviously the last two Harmonium albums top my list along with Comus’s debut with maybe some spyrogira in the mix. I’d throw a few Tull album but I don’t think all of them are prog folk necessarily.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Wait... PA counts harmonium as Symphonic prog? I mean, I guess but I thought they were textbook prog folk. Strange.

Anyways I haven’t heard enough to make a list, obviously the last two Harmonium albums top my list along with Comus’s debut with maybe some spyrogira in the mix. I’d throw a few Tull album but I don’t think all of them are prog folk necessarily.
 
I've always thought of Jethro Tull as a Prog Folk band, but I'm surprised Harmonium are listed as Symphonic Prog on PA as I'd always considered them to be classic Prog Folk too. Smile
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Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Wait... PA counts harmonium as Symphonic prog? I mean, I guess but I thought they were textbook prog folk. Strange.

Anyways I haven’t heard enough to make a list, obviously the last two Harmonium albums top my list along with Comus’s debut with maybe some spyrogira in the mix. I’d throw a few Tull album but I don’t think all of them are prog folk necessarily.
 
I've always thought of Jethro Tull as a Prog Folk band, but I'm surprised Harmonium are listed as Symphonic Prog on PA as I'd always considered them to be classic Prog Folk too. Smile

A lot of their material is. But a lot can also be considered hard rock, maybe symphonic on A Passion Play. Regardless of genre labels, my favorites from them are TAAB, Songs From The Wood and Passion Play.
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This is a tough one cuz this is probably my favorite sub-genre of Prog, but, here are my 

Top Ten FAVORITE Prog Folk Albums of All-Time:

 - 1. ALAN STIVELL Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 pts)

 - 2. FLAIRCK Gevecht met de Engel (20 pts) 

 - 3. IONA Open Sky (15 pts)

 - 4. FAUN Eden (12 pts)

 - 5. PTARMIGAN Ptarmigan (10 pts)

 - 6. TIRILL Said the Sun to the Moon (6 pts)

 - 7. AALTO Ikaro (5 pts)

 - 8. SPIROGYRA St. Radigunds (4 pts) 

 - 9. STRAWBS Ghosts (3 pts)

 - 10. (tie) CORDE OBLIQUE A Hail of Bitter Almonds (2 pts)

 - 10. MIDLAKE Antiphon (2 pts)


Other Prog Folk album's I'd consider if PA had these Prog Folk albums filed under Prog Folk: 

MIKE OLDFIELD Hergest Ridge

HARMONIUM Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison

ANTHONY PHILLIPS The Geese and The Ghost 

SHAKTI Natural Elements

IVAR BJORNSON & EINAR SELVIK Hugsjá 

MEDIÆVAL BÆBES Mirabilis

CELESTE Celeste (Principe di giorno) 

MAXOPHONE Maxophone

AL STEWART The Year of the Cat

JONI MITCHELL Court and Spark 

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1. Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
2. Comus: First Utterance
3. Judy Dyble / Andy Lewis: Summer Dancing
4. Piirpaukse: s/t
5. the Pentangle: Basket Of Light
6. Strawbs: From the Witchwood
7. Spirogyra: St. Radigunds
8. Los Jaivas: Alturas De Macchu Picchu
9. Jan Dukes De Grey: Mice and Rats In the Loft
10. Viima: Ajatuksia Maailman Laidalta

Edit: great to find Judy Dyble in PA and folkprog, although this her really great album wasn´t there (going to add and make review as soon as possible).


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
 
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
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Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Here's your chance to help determine  the Top 10 Prog Folk Albums of all time. Simply list your ten favourite  Prog Folk albums by *ten different artists* in order of preference below and then I'll assign points to the albums as follows:-
 ...

Hi,

Shame on you ... gonna tell yohh momma!

The points should be equally made for 1 through 100 (or was it 10) ... and the saddest part of it all ... the most progressive of all of the folk groups is not even mentioned ... THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND ... and their experiments went into poetry, film, and theater ... and is STILL not appreciated anywhere. AND if that is not enough, Mike's solo albums (specially Diamond of Dreams) is far out, and Robin has an incredible listing of albums with various different folks that stands out ... so far and away ... from everyone else. BTW, when Manfred Mann got a bit tired of Bob Dylan, who did he record? Mike Heron!

Folk, for me would also include FAIRPORT CONVENTION and STEELEYE SPAN ... both which were also left behind to only get 1 point each, because here ... all three of these are a much tougher "acquired taste" than GG ever was ... not to mention that the vocals in so many of the ISB takes were ... totally outside the box and insane ... and of course, FC with Sandy Denny, trumps every thing in the listing!

I'm gonna go to my closet and cry now !!!Cry


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70's stuff

HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Brèche - Carapace & Chair Tendre
Conventum - Bureau Central Des Utopies
CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Engoulevent - l'Ile Où Vivent Les Loups
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
RAMASES - Space Hymns
Errobi - Gure Lekukotasuna
Itoiz - Ezkiel
Los Jaivas - El Indio
Kebnekajse - II
Mormos - The Magic Spell of Mother's Wrath
Nuits Caline à la Villa Mon Rêve - S/T
Parzival - Barrock
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Subway - Subway
Troisième Rive - Banlieues
Pentangle - Reflection
Pearks Before Swine - Uwse Of Ashes
Madden & Harris - Fools' Paradise


00's stuff
Espers - II
PG Six - Well
Tunng -
Woven Hand - Mosaic
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
Ryley Walker - Primrose Green


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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

This is a tough one cuz this is probably my favorite sub-genre of Prog ...

...

 - 1. ALAN STIVELL Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 pts)

 - 9. STRAWBS Ghosts (3 pts)


MIKE OLDFIELD Hergest Ridge

ANTHONY PHILLIPS The Geese and The Ghost 

SHAKTI Natural Elements

AL STEWART The Year of the Cat

JONI MITCHELL Court and Spark 

...

Hi,

NOW ... that is much more like it ... thx

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

70's stuff 

CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
RAMASES - Space Hymns 
Los Jaivas - El Indio
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Pentangle - Reflection

...
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
...

Now we talking!!!!! Clap

I was also thinking of MALECORNE, the French band ... some magnificent material ... and I'm not even going to mention Spanish stuff ... because it has a tendency to sound "traditional" because of the Spanish guitar ... but all in all Spain has an incredible history of folk music, including gypsy stuff!


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1. Roy Harper - Stormcock
2. Dead Can Dance - Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
3. North Sea Radio Orchestra - I A Moon
4. Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
5. Comus: First Utterance
6. Jan Dukes De Grey: Mice and Rats In the Loft
7. Jack O The Clock - All My Friends
8. John Martyn - Solid Air
9. The Decemberists - The Hazards Of Love
10. Tim Buckley - Starsailor


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

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Yes, that is bizarre. I wondered the same thing too. It seems obvious that they belong in Prog Folk. After all, Pentangle are categorised as Prog Folk here, so why not Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention too? Even more bizarrely, Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention are both classed as Prog Related on PA, which seems a very unconventional categorisation to me. It's just another one of the mysteries of ProgArchives that we'll probably never manage to unravel. Confused
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Here's your chance to help determine  the Top 10 Prog Folk Albums of all time. Simply list your ten favourite  Prog Folk albums by *ten different artists* in order of preference below and then I'll assign points to the albums as follows:-
 ...

Hi,

Shame on you ... gonna tell yohh momma!

The points should be equally made for 1 through 100 (or was it 10) ... and the saddest part of it all ... the most progressive of all of the folk groups is not even mentioned ... THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND ... and their experiments went into poetry, film, and theater ... and is STILL not appreciated anywhere. AND if that is not enough, Mike's solo albums (specially Diamond of Dreams) is far out, and Robin has an incredible listing of albums with various different folks that stands out ... so far and away ... from everyone else. BTW, when Manfred Mann got a bit tired of Bob Dylan, who did he record? Mike Heron!

Folk, for me would also include FAIRPORT CONVENTION and STEELEYE SPAN ... both which were also left behind to only get 1 point each, because here ... all three of these are a much tougher "acquired taste" than GG ever was ... not to mention that the vocals in so many of the ISB takes were ... totally outside the box and insane ... and of course, FC with Sandy Denny, trumps every thing in the listing!

I'm gonna go to my closed and cry now !!!Cry
I've never been a fan of the Incredible String Band, so they're unlikely to find a place in my Top 10 list. Smile
 
I think Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span should be included in the Prog Folk section too, but unfortunately, we're stuck with them being in the Prog Related section. Confused
 
I chose my Top 10 points system because all of the integers (or points) divide neatly into the natural prime number of 60, in the same was as the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 & 6 divide neatly into the natural prime number of 12 in my Top 5 polls. Smile
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

70's stuff

HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Brèche - Carapace & Chair Tendre
Conventum - Bureau Central Des Utopies
CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Engoulevent - l'Ile Où Vivent Les Loups
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
RAMASES - Space Hymns
Errobi - Gure Lekukotasuna
Itoiz - Ezkiel
Los Jaivas - El Indio
Kebnekajse - II
Mormos - The Magic Spell of Mother's Wrath
Nuits Caline à la Villa Mon Rêve - S/T
Parzival - Barrock
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Subway - Subway
Troisième Rive - Banlieues
Pentangle - Reflection
Pearks Before Swine - Uwse Of Ashes
Madden & Harris - Fools' Paradise


00's stuff
Espers - II
PG Six - Well
Tunng -
Woven Hand - Mosaic
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
Ryley Walker - Primrose Green


Are they listed in any particular order for the purposes of the poll? Ermm
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1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
 
Don't forget it's one album per artist in the poll. Wink
 
If you tell me which is your favourite Strawbs album, I can assign 20 points to it, just behind 30 points for Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick. Smile
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I haven't listened to enough stuff from this genre, but nevertheless...

1. Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
2. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
3. Carmen - Fandangos in Space
4. Los Jaivas - Alturas de Machu Picchu
5. Circulus - Clocks Are Like People
6. Hoelderlin - Hoelderlin
7. Ian Anderson - Homo Erraticus
8. Sintesis - En Busca de Una Nueva Flor
9. Comus - First Utterance
10. Chac Mool - Nadie en Especial
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?LOL

Yes, that is bizarre. I wondered the same thing too. It seems obvious that they belong in Prog Folk. After all, Pentangle are categorised as Prog Folk here, so why not Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention too? Even more bizarrely, Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention are both classed as Prog Related on PA, which seems a very unconventional categorisation to me. It's just another one of the mysteries of ProgArchives that we'll probably never manage to unravel. Confused


There was a distinct reason when the team took those decisions some 10/15 years ago, where & when the historic progressive folk, psych folk, acid folk and the then-brand new neo/wyrd/pagan folk movements made the meat & bone of the PF genre.

It's also a question of proggyness. Fairport & Pan are more of the straight-ahead folk rock (this was agreed by the then-trio of genre team leader), and even if the first has a few lengthy instrumental of great quality, the band gets into a groove and solo away, the right not changing much: Even Tam Lin (in 5/4) just stays put. Next to The Pentangle (a jazz-folk-blues band really), those two bands pale in terms of proggyness.

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I'll try to think of a smaller list.








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