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Points: 17874 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2020 at 13:23
I'm expecting that all pro sports will be postponed or cancelled, MLB has yet to make a call, but right now Seattle Mariners are looking for a place to play in April since no gatherings of 250+ are allowed in Seattle. Once this becomes more the case MLB will have no choice but to postpone the season, that's crazy.

Our local HS spring sports have been postponed and will probably be cancelled is my guess, season is too short. I coach HS lacrosse and we are not part of HS sports but we follow their rules in most cases for things like eligibility, I expect our season will be either shortened or cancelled.

I would not be surprised if this virus is not controlled soon that Washington state gov will impose some curfews to make those that work in office to go home rather than go to restaurants or bars after work. Even the thought of closing off county lines, nobody in or out for a month has been discussed I heard.

Cra-cra............Wash your hands!!! 
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2020 at 13:43
Well, given from what I've been lead to understand about the US's civilization's social track record, nobody except the immedately effected would give a s**t. Go Bernie?
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Points: 65310 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 12 2020 at 14:35
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Presumably alcohol based? Myself I'm using 18 year old single malt.

Same here--  I know it's only 40% alcohol but it's better than nothing ... and then I have a shot to boot.
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Friends of mine in leadership roles in both the health care industry and emergency response are now saying that one-third to one-half of all Americans will contract COVID-19. 75-150 million Americans at a 3.5% death rate equals 2.65 million to 5.25 million American deaths at the end of this round (there are more rounds predicted for the 2020-2021 flu season). 

My point is: This seems to be real, not hype. Fear is a normal and acceptable response to looming mortality. 

Good luck, everybody!
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I enjoyed Trump's Oval Office speech yesterday. Just saying.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

As a registered nurse, working from home is not an option. This is going to be an interesting few weeks.
Holy Cow! Be safe my friend.

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Well, it seems that virtually all major sports have been cancelled in the States except for NASCAR, which will run their circle parades without fans. Big woop. Pinch
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Friends of mine in leadership roles in both the health care industry and emergency response are now saying that one-third to one-half of all Americans will contract COVID-19. 75-150 million Americans at a 3.5% death rate equals 2.65 million to 5.25 million American deaths at the end of this round (there are more rounds predicted for the 2020-2021 flu season). 

My point is: This seems to be real, not hype. Fear is a normal and acceptable response to looming mortality. 

Good luck, everybody!

The only thing is that current death rate estimates based on registered cases are probably overestimates, because many more milder than serious cases are in all likelihood not tested and counted. It's hard to estimate the true mortality because it depends on things that are not directly observable, but somewhere between 0.5 and 2% seems more realistic than 3.5%.
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If you're over the age of 50, this COVID-19 threat is very real and quite imminent!

This is the statement from yesterday from my friend's UCSF task force:

https://www.linkedin.com/content-guest/article/notes-from-ucsf-expert-panel-march-10-dr-jordan-shlain-m-d-/

or you can read the original documents here:

https://www.ucsf.edu/coronavirus




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I'm following an Italian doctor who has the virus on Twitter and also read this from someone who has it -
Without wishing to underestimate COVID-19 both of them have said they had worse flu than this one.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I'm following an Italian doctor who has the virus on Twitter and also read this from someone who has it -
Without wishing to underestimate COVID-19 both of them have said they had worse flu than this one.
This is fair enough, but it doesn't detract from the seriousness of the situation. We know that a lot of people who get the virus will have only mild symptoms. A lot of others will get seriously ill, and some of them will die.
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2020 at 10:34
I have the impression testing is deliberately being obstructed "to keep the numbers down". this does of course only make sense to Trump


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I don't get the craze over testing other than to give health providers a rough number of who's infected.   Testing does nothing to help people who may be ill, and with this virus it's just a few days before those numbers change.   We don't need testing, we need easy-use home ventilators for those whose lungs are unhealthy and may collect fluid.   Beyond that, people should be doing what they should every flu season: hygiene, good diet & exercise, and common sense.   Testing does nothing to help people at risk.   It's become a red herring.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I'm following an Italian doctor who has the virus on Twitter and also read this from someone who has it -
Without wishing to underestimate COVID-19 both of them have said they had worse flu than this one.

Yep.   The panic is spreading much worse than the virus.
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I understand your point of view David, but you can't fight your enemy if you don't know where he is. And by that I mean forgoing quarantining people who shouldn't be and quarantining the ones who should be. Without testing, we're just guessing.
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I understand that and I'm not against it, but it does nothing to actually help people, it just provides numbers to doctors that will change soon anyway.   If a community can't handle the patients that need care, testing does nothing to change that.

What we need en masse are not test kits, but home ventilators and plenty of flu medicine so if you do get it at least you can have some small comfort at home.
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Yea the whole testing thing seems to me just something else to add to all the stress. You don't need a test to know if you have the flu, you need a thermometer as fever is the main symptom. If you get flu like symptoms and also fever then you need to self quarantine. 

The other thing is so what if we had 10 million test kits?? You swab your mouth/throat and send it off to a lab and wait for results. This is the main issue, getting test results back......normally you go to the dr and get a test done blood or other and its few days to a week for results. People are yelling because they want it back in 5 minutes....mis-informed people.
To do that you would have to make all the labs drop everything and only process these swabs....not realistic.

I'm very pleased at what President Trump and VP Pence have put together with Walmart, Target, CVS, Walgreens, Quest Labs and others just now....That's massive to get all those people to work together to slow the spread and help those in the high risk areas.
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2020 at 15:19
Nobody could have done more or sooner.
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2020 at 15:35
I'm looking at Trump's national emergency speech right now.
Like yesterday's Oval Office speech, I'm wondering how it's possible that someone can f*ck up a pre-written delivery so thoroughly.
As the inflection is all wrong, it's obvious that he's not understanding large parts of what he's reading. It's amazing!
It's like watching someone during an acting audition who has been given a script just a few seconds earlier with no knowledge of the script, the role, or the circumstances. The struggle is painful to watch.

And has anyone noticed how the people standing behind him during these occasions seem to be suffering from a severe case of bobble-head?


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