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« quand je me regarde je m’inquiète, quand je me compare, je me rassure »."When I look at myself I worry, when I compare myself, I feel reassured." 

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

A little excerpt from Robert Anton Wilson's novel "Masks of the Illuminati". This story is told by Aleister Crowley, one of the four main protagonists of the novel; the other three are Albert Einstein, James Joyce and Sir John Babcock (the only fictional character in this quartet).

”There were these two men, sharing a railway carriage. They didn’t know each other. They just happened to be travelling together. One of the men had, resting in his lap, a cardboard box with holes punched in the top. After some time spent contemplating what might be inside his travelling companion’s box, the other man at last could not contain his curiosity. He said, “Excuse me, but I couldn’t help noticing your box. Does it contain some variety of animal?” The other man, though obviously surprised by this impertinent intrusion from a stranger, smiled politely as he answered, “You’re absolutely right. There is indeed a creature kept inside this box. And furthermore, I may reveal, the animal in question is a mongoose.”

The first man, who’d initiated the enquiry, was astonished by this revelation. Spluttering with surprise, he sought some further explanation of this certainly provocative disclosure made by his strange fellow-traveller. “A mongoose? Sir I must confess I had expected it to be perhaps a cat, or rabbit, not a creature so exotic and outlandish. The animal you mention so excites my curiosity that I must beg you, sir, to tell me more. Where are you bound with such a specimen, if I may be so bold?” The other man, who sat with the perforated box on his lap, shrugged wearily as he replied, “Well, it’s something of a personal matter, as it concerns a family tragedy. However, since I’m confident I may rely on your discretion, I suppose I don’t mind sharing my unfortunate account with you.”

“You see,” the man went on, “this sorry tale concerns my elder brother. He’s always been what I suppose you might refer to as the black sheep of the family. He has for many years indulged himself in a predictable and commonplace array of vices, of which the worst is his fondness for strong spirits. His drinking has progressed until he is now in the final stages of delerium tremens. My brother now sees serpents everywhere, which is the reason I am taking him this mongoose, that he may be rid of them.”

“Excuse me,” the other man interjected, looking puzzled, “But, these snakes your brother sees… aren’t they imaginary snakes?”

“Indeed,” his fellow traveller replied. “But this,” and here he gestured meaningfully to the perforated box set on his lap, “is an imaginary mongoose.”

I read the Illuminatus Trilogy and Masks many years ago....he is one of my favorite writers from the old days. I also enjoyed the Schrodingers Cat trilogy. I also read Cosmic Trigger series and many of his other non fiction books. A very funny and smart man....who called himself a guerilla ontologist in his book The Illuminati Papers.
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Two quotes that serve to bring clarity to our current political mess:

"At some point we all sit down to a banquet of consequences". -- Robert Louis Stevenson

“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is”. – Winston Churchill





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A little excerpt from Robert Anton Wilson's novel "Masks of the Illuminati". This story is told by Aleister Crowley, one of the four main protagonists of the novel; the other three are Albert Einstein, James Joyce and Sir John Babcock (the only fictional character in this quartet).

”There were these two men, sharing a railway carriage. They didn’t know each other. They just happened to be travelling together. One of the men had, resting in his lap, a cardboard box with holes punched in the top. After some time spent contemplating what might be inside his travelling companion’s box, the other man at last could not contain his curiosity. He said, “Excuse me, but I couldn’t help noticing your box. Does it contain some variety of animal?” The other man, though obviously surprised by this impertinent intrusion from a stranger, smiled politely as he answered, “You’re absolutely right. There is indeed a creature kept inside this box. And furthermore, I may reveal, the animal in question is a mongoose.”

The first man, who’d initiated the enquiry, was astonished by this revelation. Spluttering with surprise, he sought some further explanation of this certainly provocative disclosure made by his strange fellow-traveller. “A mongoose? Sir I must confess I had expected it to be perhaps a cat, or rabbit, not a creature so exotic and outlandish. The animal you mention so excites my curiosity that I must beg you, sir, to tell me more. Where are you bound with such a specimen, if I may be so bold?” The other man, who sat with the perforated box on his lap, shrugged wearily as he replied, “Well, it’s something of a personal matter, as it concerns a family tragedy. However, since I’m confident I may rely on your discretion, I suppose I don’t mind sharing my unfortunate account with you.”

“You see,” the man went on, “this sorry tale concerns my elder brother. He’s always been what I suppose you might refer to as the black sheep of the family. He has for many years indulged himself in a predictable and commonplace array of vices, of which the worst is his fondness for strong spirits. His drinking has progressed until he is now in the final stages of delerium tremens. My brother now sees serpents everywhere, which is the reason I am taking him this mongoose, that he may be rid of them.”

“Excuse me,” the other man interjected, looking puzzled, “But, these snakes your brother sees… aren’t they imaginary snakes?”

“Indeed,” his fellow traveller replied. “But this,” and here he gestured meaningfully to the perforated box set on his lap, “is an imaginary mongoose.”


Edited by BaldFriede - April 15 2020 at 17:15


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The one under my avatar is one ofmy favorites....
'One does nothing yet nothing is left undone'  by Haquin, zen master

And one of my all time favorites by a writer who died some years ago...R A Wilson:
"If you think you know what's going on, you are probably full of sh*t."
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My soul's intelligence & mind's wits infer that synchronicity is a good word to explain such shadowy phenomena; as there's a good chance that all those/these mysterious occurrences might be time-related. My inference is not either exhaustive or conclusive, nor is it preclusive. I'm prone and generally open to deem differing conclusions reasonable too, so long as they make sense.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

^  'Crass'...? 
So was that Roman guy the origin of the word?

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^  'Crass'...? 
So was that Roman guy the origin of the word?

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I don't fully agree; this perception is embodying a certain truth, albeit to a certain extent, depending on the context. Anyhow I like such views, they are against the grain.
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The poet Robert Burns, to a critic he despised (1791) --

Dear Sir:

Thou eunuch of language; thou Englishman, who never was south the Tweed; thou servile echo of fashionable barbarisms; thou quack, vending the nostrums of empirical elocution; thou marriage-maker between vowels and consonants, on the Gretna-green of caprice; thou cobler, botching the flimsy socks of bombast oratory; thou blacksmith, hammering the rivets of absurdity; thou butcher, embruing thy hands in the bowels of orthography; thou arch-heretic in pronunciation; thou pitch-pipe of affected emphasis; thou carpenter, mortising the awkward joints of jarring sentences; thou squeaking dissonance of cadence; thou pimp of gender; thou Lyon Herald to silly etymology; thou antipode of grammar; thou executioner of construction; thou brood of the speech-distracting builders of the Tower of Babel; thou lingual confusion worse confounded; thou scape-gallows from the land of syntax; thou scavenger of mood and tense; thou murderous accoucheur of infant learning; thou ignis fatuus, misleading the steps of benighted ignorance; thou pickle-herring in the puppet-show of nonsense; thou faithful recorder of barbarous idiom; thou persecutor of syllabication; thou baleful meteor, foretelling and facilitating the rapid approach of Nox and Erebus.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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"The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of threatening killer bees!" (Greenback on Tangerine Dream's Zeit).

Hi,

And in the case of POLAND, it's in the book, 2 or 3 HEATERS would have been nice but there wasn't enough electricity! Incredible story in EF's book!


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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Even after a conversation commences, your "beginning" all your posts with a "Hi" clearly shows that all your concern is self-justification. This shouldn't be that way, FYI.
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Hi,

Believe what you will ... this has been for many years, my way of saying HELLO to start each thread/reply.

It's more about me being polite than your idea, btw!


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words of wisdom..  

Salvor Hardin - Never let your sence of morals prevent you from doing what is right

a very interesting life has been lived following that exact proverb...

and hand in hand with that..

David Bowie - Religion is for those that fear hell.. sprirituality is for those that have been there..

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I guess, not just in the US.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Even after a conversation commences, your "beginning" all your posts with a "Hi" clearly shows that all your concern is self-justification. This shouldn't be that way, FYI.

I choose not to continue. Your pretentiousness and discourtesy is exceeding my tolerance limit. If I were in my 20s now, I'd argue to the max, but I figured long ago that ignoring is better.
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"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt" (Bertrand Russell).

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand" (Bertrand Russell).

"The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of threatening killer bees!" (Greenback on Tangerine Dream's Zeit).
"Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself" (The Prisoner, 1967).
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Even after a conversation commences, your "beginning" all your posts with a "Hi" clearly shows that all your concern is self-justification. This shouldn't be that way, FYI.

I choose not to continue. Your pretentiousness and discourtesy is exceeding my tolerance limit. If I were in my 20s now, I'd argue to the max, but I figured long ago that ignoring is better.

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Ah, you're climbing mountains but imaginary ones. Good luck with that. Clap

Hi,

Don't have to ... these kinds of thoughts and ideas are comments wasted on folks that don't know the difference, and to make sure that you think they know something more than you do.

I don't have to climb "mountains" just to prove what I know and see inside. But if you want to climb a mountain only to find that anything up there is the same as anything down here -- except thinner air of course! -- go ahead ... enjoy yourself wasting time on parables that were ADDED to the new testament 1800 years ago, to make sure the word in those books was right and you didn't know anything or what it all meant.

C'mon ... stop throwing ideas around ... if you don't know or understand ... just ask ... the answer will tell you its own value, but if the best that person can di is give you a parable, that person is as spiritual as what ... not saying it ... you can believe all the fakes out there, and never know the difference!

For your information, you have no positive proof that anything I have experienced "inside" is not real, and does not belong in the world ... except your Freudian shrimps and Jungian tunas!
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Ah, you're climbing mountains but imaginary ones. Good luck with that. Clap
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