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Poll Question: When you gave it your first listening, Were you?
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1 [2.33%]
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9 [20.93%]
4 [9.30%]
16 [37.21%]
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    Posted: December 29 2004 at 11:18

I'm in the VERY IMPRESSED...I liked it first time....Very good indeed, I was also suprised to see it was 1976 - Why hadn't I heard of it sooner ???



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over the moon! swinton, you da man!
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a little to copy cat for my tastes, borders on piracy.
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may wanna try this one?

Satin Whale Desert Places on Brain
records(germany)
 
      Satin Whale - Remember, from "Desert Places",
their debut album, released in 1974. Formed in
Cologne, Germany, Satin Whale were a late addition
to the first wave of Krautrock, and were h eavily
influenced by many of the bands that had preceded
them, such as Sahara, Jane and Os Mundi, blending
rock ballads with elaborate instrumentals that f
eatured jazz and classical elements. The band was
formed by keyboard player G erald Dellmann,
guitarist/sax player/flautist/vocalist Dieter Roesberg,
bassist Thomas Bruck and drummer Horst
Schattgen. This debut album was the only album
they recorded for Brain Records. Moving to Nova
Records in 1975, they r eleased "Lost Mankind" that
year with new drummer Wolfgang Hieronymi. This
album was basically a continuation of their excellent
debut and saw the band mature into a very
competent outfit. They went on to release a further
five albums, one of which was a soundtrack to a
movie called "Die Faust in der Tasche", before
splitting in the early eighties. Their final album, "Don't
stop the Show", which was full-on mainstream song
orientated rock, featured English vocalist Barry
Palmer, who'd worked with fellow German
progressive rockers, Triumvirat - cut and paste 

hard to find now, but I have an almost flawless vinyl
copy I spin on the Thorens on occasion.

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I had the chance to listen Illusions on a Double Dimple before than Spartacus, and must say both albums really impressed me, Jurgen Fritz is a virtuoso keyboardists and  does excellent arrangements.

I find some ELP inspiration, but I don't believe they were ever clones of them, their music and sound is absolutely different, faster but as elaborated as the famous great trio (Illusions and Spartacus were played by a trio also Jurgen Fritz, Helmut Kollen and Hans Bathelt).

But I have a really nice anecdote.

Perú was not a country in the 70's where people could buy prog', but for some strange reason, Ilussions and Spartacus were released by a Peruvian extinct label.

A friend bought Illusions and invited me to his house to listen it, so I went and we started to play the album at the highest volume posible, after a few minutes I went to his balcony to smoke a cigarrette (I was 14 and his mother would have told mine I was smoking) and  saw three kids of about our age who we never knew before that where sitting in a small wall in front of the house of my friend. They begged me not to close the door of the balcony because they were listening the album from the start.

We invited them to pass to the house and they were prog' fans also. Since that day we became very good friends at the point that  I was witness in the marriage of one of them with a girl from the University who was a proghead also.

Still after those years we have a reunion once a month to play poker and listen good music for 5 or 6 hours.

Iván



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well, i do not like the production of illusions...it is a very good album, but imo spartacus is just flawless and perfectly recorded. we have seen on previous posts that spartacus is a deranging album. if keith emerson is honest and not jealous, i'm sure he will say about spartacus that it is an awesome album, at least fritz's work! do not forget old loves die hard, which is excellent too!
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Having seen this band in 1975 I will say this: Unimpressed. If you want to play ELP then play ELP's music. The Keyboard player even wore leather pants just like Keith. I am sorry clones of ELP. Nothing original.
Boring.

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Originally posted by ivan_2068 ivan_2068 wrote:

I had the chance to listen Illusions on a Double Dimple before than Spartacus, and must say both albums really impressed me, Jurgen Fritz is a virtuoso keyboardists and  does excellent arrangements.

I find some ELP inspiration, but I don't believe they were ever clones of them, their music and sound is absolutely different, faster but as elaborated as the famous great trio (Illusions and Spartacus were played by a trio also Jurgen Fritz, Helmut Kollen and Hans Bathelt).

But I have a really nice anecdote.

Perú was not a country in the 70's where people could buy prog', but for some strange reason, Ilussions and Spartacus were released by a Peruvian extinct label.

A friend bought Illusions and invited me to his house to listen it, so I went and we started to play the album at the highest volume posible, after a few minutes I went to his balcony to smoke a cigarrette (I was 14 and his mother would have told mine I was smoking) and  saw three kids of about our age who we never knew before that where sitting in a small wall in front of the house of my friend. They begged me not to close the door of the balcony because they were listening the album from the start.

We invited them to pass to the house and they were prog' fans also. Since that day we became very good friends at the point that  I was witness in the marriage of one of them with a girl from the University who was a proghead also.

Still after those years we have a reunion once a month to play poker and listen good music for 5 or 6 hours.

Iván

SmileVery cool story -- thanks for sharing that, Ivy!Clap
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Points: 4215 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2004 at 22:08

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

painfull

I second that

There is exact Emerson riffs.. all thru that album.. I also agree with whoever said it bordered on piracy!

Sorry but this band was even worse than IQ when it came to inferior cloning...
THIS IS ELP
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Points: 3323 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2004 at 22:21
hard for me to call that progressive, dont mind
influences but if you cant spin something original out
of those influences you need to be collecting
garbage
.
Reminds me of starving artists painting by the
numbers. Which outlines my detest for neo-prog
genre as a whole, pseudo-prog would be a better
classification but then the record industry would
starve and actually have to promote original thinking,
which aint their business these days.

I have much respect for todays artists that find a way
to weasel thru the road blocks!

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I am a big fan of ELP, which should be obvious from my reviews, but I am also a big fan of (early) TRIUMVIRAT. To like one band's music does not automatically mean you have to dislike the other's.

The fact is that TRIUMVIRAT were, and are, a popular Prog band. I honestly don't find "Illusions On A Double Dimple" reminds me of ELP (unlike "Spartacus", which does have some clear reminders - but, so what?) To me, TRIUMVIRAT's sound is more melodic and more commercial than early ELP's. "Illusions" is chock-full of great music: the intros to 'Flashback' and 'Bad Deal' still give me a thrill after 30 years.

When "Illusions" was released in 1974 it sold very well outside Germany - I was one of the purchasers in Brazil and loved the album. It's one of my Prog desert island discs, along with "Tarkus". Interestingly, both ELP and TRIUMVIRAT still have a big fan base in Brazil.

The fact is that TRIUMVIRAT still has a significant fan base worldwide, to the extent that we lobbied EMI Germany for several years to get the albums remastered and re-released. I waited for years to get hold of a copy of "Illusions" and "Spartacus", having to content myself with a cassette recording of my long gone LP.

One man's meat is another man's poison. To me, "Illusions On A Double Dimple" is filet migon. The concept, the melodies, the structure of the tracks, the lyrics and even the album cover are excellent in my opinion. Just because Jurgen Fritz used a synthesizer (or wore leather trousers) does not automatically mean he is a plagarist. He was obviously inspired by ELP. Inspiration is not plagarism.

I'm not trying to convince those of you who profess to dislike TRIUMVIRAT. But I say to anyone reading this and who has not listened to the band's music: don't dismiss the band without first checking out the first 3 albums. "Spartacus" sold more than "Illusions" - especially in the USA - but personally I much prefer "Illusions". In any case, they're both good concept albums.

 
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Points: 9669 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2005 at 03:56

Sparticus Autisticus.

I widdle when I piddle....

RIP, ID. Disapprove



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I have listened to the CD Thrice - and have noticed that since this was released in 1976, both Pallas and IQ have lifted parts of the composition. This is acceptable in my eyes because Triumvirat have obviously influenced the later proggers just as much as Yes/Genesis/Floyd and ELP.

It is a good addition to my collection, and I thank those who told me to buy the CD, you have been vindicated by my enjoyment......
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Points: 39 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2005 at 12:31
As much as I liked Spartacus, I eventually grew to
love Illusions On A Double Dimple even more.

Sure the keyboard sounds are the same and alot of
the riffs are similar between Fritz and Emerson but
Fritz had a more melodic approach to his
compositions and arragements. I'm also a big fan of
Pompeii, even with it's more commercial approach.

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Points: 848 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2005 at 13:42
Looks like Spartacus was more Liked than not............Thought it might be
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Points: 28737 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2005 at 02:44
I think the poll just reflects general apathy to the original question.It's hardly a seminal prog work.Only 15 bothered to vote.A 'couldn't care less' option might well have won.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2005 at 03:04
Excellent album. Sure they have the same dynamic as ELP but I only see
their influence, Triumvirat and Jürgen Fritz keyboard playing are unique.
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I'm sparticus! I'm Sparticus! I'm sparticus autisticus!

Not a bad album, but rather derivitive of poor dead Ian Dury....Wink
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I think it's excellent, though sligthly flawed.

4/5
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