No Platforming?

Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Whatever happened to "I hate what you say but I defend your right to say it"? I wouldn't expect a nazi to defend anything except your right to say yes sir. Let me restate my post with emphasis added: What ever happed to "I hate what you say but I defend your right  to say it"?   In Nazi Germany, citizens had no rights. No one could speak unless it was party approved propaganda and forget about any other personal liberties or rights like due process or a fair trial.   You brought up the Nazi's twice so far but you miss the irony of your statements. Is this what happens when someone is in a safe zone? I agree with what you say about citizens under nazi rule having no rights. What was the ironic part you refer to?

Nazi's took away free speech. You're against free speech of Nazis. Seems ironic to me.

Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Whatever happened to "I hate what you say but I defend your right to say it"? I wouldn't expect a nazi to defend anything except your right to say yes sir. Let me restate my post with emphasis added: What ever happed to "I hate what you say but I defend your right  to say it"?   In Nazi Germany, citizens had no rights. No one could speak unless it was party approved propaganda and forget about any other personal liberties or rights like due process or a fair trial.   You brought up the Nazi's twice so far but you miss the irony of your statements. Is this what happens when someone is in a safe zone? I agree with what you say about citizens under nazi rule having no rights. What was the ironic part you refer to? Nazi's took away free speech. You're against free speech of Nazis. Seems ironic to me. I never said that, show me the quote where I said I wanted to curtail anyone's speech.

You inferred it. And if you only want to restrict the inflammatory aspects of Nazi speak, then that would entail virtually all they say.

Edited by SteveG - March 04 2020 at 07:23

I did not infer curtailing speech for anyone. Since my point was not clear the first time, let me reiterate.

For some people, myself included, free speech for nazis, or anyone for that matter, is a lofty ideal and is not clouded by any personal trials or history.

For others, such as my wife who is Jewish, free speech for nazis includes some very dark history in which nazi rhetoric led to death for members of her family. Not just death, but humiliation, torture, destruction of property and an attempt to wipe out an entire group of people.

My point being that I was illustrating two very different perspectives on free speech. I do not know if my wife wants to curtail speech by nazis, I'll let her speak for herself.

handwrist wrote: Restrictions on free speech is not the same as a police state - arguably it's part of it, but not even close to the whole of it. I never said I would like to live in a police state. But if they just didn't allow me to say certain things, and left me alone to do my stuff then I'd be alright.

Edited by moshkito - March 04 2020 at 07:39

SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: I did not infer curtailing speech for anyone. Since my point was not clear the first time, let me reiterate. For some people, myself included, free speech for nazis, or anyone for that matter, is a lofty ideal and is not clouded by any personal trials or history. For others, such as my wife who is Jewish, free speech for nazis includes some very dark history in which nazi rhetoric led to death for members of her family. Not just death, but humiliation, torture, destruction of property and an attempt to wipe out an entire group of people. My point being that I was illustrating two very different perspectives on free speech. I do not know if my wife wants to curtail speech by nazis, I'll let her speak for herself. If they are clouded by trials and history, is that a reason to criticize it?

Who is the 'they' you are referring to?

^ Well of course.
I have no particular opinion on any of this, I'm just pointing out that nazi rhetoric is much more of a concern to some than others.
From my own experiences, I can not fathom how a survivor of a nazi death campaign would view nazi rhetoric.

Edited by Easy Money - March 04 2020 at 08:03

^ Thanks.

No, albeit with a plethora of caveats. The freedom of speech, in which I grew up, is under siege. Everyone should have the right to say what he thinks, in political correct terms or not. On the other hand, many media which practise no platforming, give platforms to ideas that are either insane or evil and therefore should not be given way to. A system that cannot defend itself against threats from within is doomed.

Edited by someone_else - March 04 2020 at 15:16