Black Sabbath, the unsung prog trailblazers

SteveG wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Cristi wrote: LAM-SGC wrote: The Big Three: Black Sabbath Deep Purple Led Zeppelin And only DP had some prog in them. If you call LZ a prog band, then so is every other rootsy blues rock band of the 60s and 70s. Nobody calls LZ prog, although they had a few prog songs. So did Deep Purple but I would argue that LZ had just as many if not more. Come to think of it all three had prog songs but that doesn't make any of them prog bands. It's not like they all put out full blown prog albums like even Pink Floyd, Kansas or Rush(bands who some say aren't prog).  Rush have always been a Hard Rock band to me and not a Prog-Rock band, but I'm glad they're here on ProgArchives. I don't know, Paul. 2112 is so prog that an Argentine prog band named themselves 2112.

Yup, 2112 was only a little pregnant.

As a serious heavy metaller and hard rocker rather than a progger I say that Rush made three hard rock albums, their fourth one was completely different, it was not hard rock it was prog and they remained prog.

Even the first two UFO, weren't half as spacey as the covers and song titles promised, in fact Early UFO, before MS, were pretty much a meat & potatoes hard rock band, and as well as their own stuff they played far too high a percentage of covers of 50s rock n roll songs and 60s rock. They weren't even close to prog and when MS joined they moved even further away from it.

A case can be made for UH, WA, DP, Rainbow and even early Scorpions but not UFO, LZ, BS, TL or Queen.

Edited by LAM-SGC - February 25 2020 at 11:43

Sean Trane wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: It makes me wonder now if the Hard Rock bands Led Zeppelin, UFO and Uriah Heep are included here too, but maybe that would be too much to hope for.   If Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield and Vangelis are all included on ProgArchives too, then that would really make my evening. Zep & Heep are in Not sure about UFO... their first four that are Space Rock could be, but it was a little basic, but their Hard AOR doesn't So are Newpasture, Tangerine & Vangelis Maybe you oughta explore a little the DB, instead of posting 135 times a day in here

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 26 2020 at 04:41

LAM-SGC wrote: Even the first two UFO, weren't half as spacey as the covers and song titles promised, in fact Early UFO, before MS, were pretty much a meat & potatoes hard rock band, and as well as their own stuff they played far too high a percentage of covers of 50s rock n roll songs and 60s rock. They weren't even close to prog and when MS joined they moved even further away from it. A case can be made for UH, WA, DP, Rainbow and even early Scorpions but not UFO, LZ, BS, TL or Queen.

The first 2 UFO are interesting ,,,perhaps prog related , though there are 2 very long songs on UFO 2....

Edited by dr wu23 - February 27 2020 at 08:08

LAM-SGC wrote: dr wu23 wrote: The first 2 UFO are interesting ,,,perhaps prog related , though there are 2 very long songs on UFO 2.... I've owned those two albums for years, and I hear nothing prog on them at all. Long songs and blues rock jams are not prog. If you think early UFO are prog, so then are Cream,Hendrix, Blind Faith, Blue Cheer, Vanilla Fudge, Led Zeppelin,Iron Butterfly, Spirit, Whitesnake and so on.

The first time I heard Lights Out that's exactly what I did. Shut the stereo off and put out the lights.

Edited by SteveG - February 27 2020 at 09:44

Still say the Grateful Dead is THE most progressive band to ever exist - still doesn't make 'em a prog band (though I still say they should be on PA, if only to allow the uninitiated a guidepost).