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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't know why but the post Test for Echo albums that I rarely listen to. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.

They are the ones I am the least familiar with(especially vapor trails)which is why I have been listening to them lately.
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I don't know why but I rarely listen to the post Test for Echo albums. I don't know why, they're not bad at all.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.
I lost my interest totally in Roll the Bones. Presto & Power Windows are OK albums, Hold Your Fire really mediocre.

Roll The Bones, with the exception of Dreamline and a couple others, puts me to sleep. Might be my least favorite Rush album. Side two in particular is mostly a big snoozer. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.
I lost my interest totally in Roll the Bones. Presto & Power Windows are OK albums, Hold Your Fire really mediocre.
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I thought Power Windows was a great album song wise although a bit 'plastic' sounding. Hold Your Fire and Presto are my least favourite Rush albums until they got back on track with Roll The Bones. The synths were fast disappearing and the hard rock style returned.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay

By their own admission they didn't get massive airplay in the U.S. However, I'm sure the amount of airplay they did get was a regional thing. In the 80s here in CT, the only time they got significant airplay was when a new album was released (and then not even a ton of airplay) and when they had a tour date in the state. At most other times, airplay on local radio was very spotty. That's going by memory or course. 

Airplay doesn't always equal success though. Metallica, Iron Maiden, NIN, and Tool all seemed to have sold a lot of albums before they got much airplay(especailly with IM and Metallica). It seems to be mostly a thing with metal and hard rock bands though. I don't think Black Sabbath were played much on the radio either(at least in the 70's and 80's). As for Rush I am a bit too young to say about the early days but I certainly heard them on the radio after signals(first by them I bought on cassette). But I am from the northeastern US and so things might have different elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay

By their own admission they didn't get massive airplay in the U.S. However, I'm sure the amount of airplay they did get was a regional thing. In the 80s here in CT, the only time they got significant airplay was when a new album was released (and then not even a ton of airplay) and when they had a tour date in the state. At most other times, airplay on local radio was very spotty. That's going by memory or course. 
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Back on topic folks. This is a Rush thread.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

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^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".


I like 80's KC, but those three albums are not a patch on their 70's efforts IMO, whereas early 80's Rush albums hold up well against their 70's albums, and are better than the 'chapter 1' albums, in terms of musicianship, maturity of song writing and originality.
Well, to me "Rush-ship" started to sink straight after Hemispheres. Permanent & Moving are not bad albums, but they have same taste as many other prog bands those times, like they are headed just for "adults". Although I am not also big fan of those eighties KC-albums, they still sound much fresher & more interesting to me than any other old progband albums at same time. KC kind of "slough" itself, it´s sounding almost different band. What I try to say is that although they´re not my big faves, I really respect them. I think Jethro also succeeded same way in "A", but after that they also started sound "updated" progband.
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

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^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".


I like 80's KC, but those three albums are not a patch on their 70's efforts IMO, whereas early 80's Rush albums hold up well against their 70's albums, and are better than the 'chapter 1' albums, in terms of musicianship, maturity of song writing and originality.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

^If they had continued in same kind of albums as "Hemispheres", I don´t believe they would have become as successful. "Permanent Waves" went into more pop direction, there really is something same as "the Police". So Rush did same thing as Genesis, Jethro Tull, Yes and Pink Floyd (in the Gilmour revival), those all become more part of the eighties sound. Although I think Moving Pictures & Signals are better albums than those other bands eighties albums (Jethro´s A is also quite good, eighties sounding progalbum), King Crimson was the only prog band that could modernize it sound with dignity. But I am not saying all those bands albums that I mentioned were totally bad.


Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
So what´s you´re opinion about KC eighties albums? They´re really not my big favourites, but I think they´re only eighties progband albums without any or really little AOR-quality (well maybe there is some in Three of a Perfect). Of course there isn´t lots of AOR in Moving Pictures, but anyway "Limelight" & "the Camera Eye" & "Vital Signs" are sounding what´s coming next specially after "Signals".
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I'm not saying Fripp didn't want to make an arthouse album like Talking Heads. I think he made the perfect arthouse-prog hybrid. Discipline sounds like a Heads album only with Zappa Band chops. That's what I meant.

The '80s was great if you were into the advancement of synthesizer technology. I was into synths and all throughout high school, one of my biggest goals was getting my first synth. I was into Tangerine Dream years before I got into Rush. I never understood the hate some fans gave Rush for incorporating synths into their sound. The decade was also great for neo-prog and film scores. A lot of really good hard rock and metal, too. Prog keyboardists like Wakeman, Banks, Bardens and Watkins released some fine solo albums. Larry Fast (Synergy) only did a couple, but they're excellent, nonetheless.

Yeah, there's a lot of crap from the '80s, too. But that goes for any decade, when you think about it.


My biggest issue with the 80's was the production and the big drum sound. I'm not talking about gated reverb either just the way the drums were put up front and produced. Listen to the Cars "heartbeat city" or ZZ Top's "afterburner." There's just something about the production that rubs me the wrong way. It's almost as if they were trying to give rock albums a dance music aesthetic or something. Yeah you can still enjoy it if you are in the right mindset or just accept it as it is but it just comes across as sounding try too hard or something. Some of the pop music actually wasn't too bad especially compared to today but again the cheesey production is the biggest offender imo.

I agree with you about neo prog, hard rock(I guess there was some) and metal(except for hair metal) and I actually like a lot of the new wave from that era. I also think some of the early alternative stuff was good. However, if I have to choose between decades for me it would go 70's, 90's, 60's then 80's. For prog it would be about the same although the last two decades would be before the 80's and you can take out the sixties since the genre hardly existed then. So no it wasn't all bad but I prefer other decades more. Plus I admit I do need to discover and rediscover more from the 80's. Back then I was mostly into(including the latest albums by) KC, Yes, Genesis, Rush, PF and MB. I liked other stuff too but not too much that was current at the time.


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I'm not saying Fripp didn't want to make an arthouse album like Talking Heads. I think he made the perfect arthouse-prog hybrid. Discipline sounds like a Heads album only with Zappa Band chops. That's what I meant.

The '80s was great if you were into the advancement of synthesizer technology. I was into synths and all throughout high school, one of my biggest goals was getting my first synth. I was into Tangerine Dream years before I got into Rush. I never understood the hate some fans gave Rush for incorporating synths into their sound. The decade was also great for neo-prog and film scores. A lot of really good hard rock and metal, too. Prog keyboardists like Wakeman, Banks, Bardens and Watkins released some fine solo albums. Larry Fast (Synergy) only did a couple, but they're excellent, nonetheless.

Yeah, there's a lot of crap from the '80s, too. But that goes for any decade, when you think about it.



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Re: Remain in Light

^The '80s was my "era"...lol. I heard all that stuff, the good, the bad, the best, the worst, the rad, the meh. 

Fripp was already moving in that direction, as we can hear on Exposure two years earlier. He thought Daryl Hall was the best vocalist in the biz, too.

Maybe but I seriously doubt Discipline would have sounded the way it did if it wasn't for Remain in Light  and yes the fact that Adrian was on it is a big part of that. 

The 80's was my era too but at the time I was more into older bands. Still, not a big fan of 80's music(at least compared to other decades) for the most part. It serves mostly as nostalgia for me and not much else.


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^The '80s was my "era"...lol. I heard all that stuff, the good, the bad, the best, the worst, the rad, the meh. 

Fripp was already moving in that direction, as we can hear on Exposure two years earlier. He thought Daryl Hall was the best vocalist in the biz, too.
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^I guess you never heard remain in light.  ;)

Anyway, yeah I know about the band Cinema that evolved into Yes just like I know about Maybel Greer's Toyshop. :P Thanks for those links. I'll look into that further.


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I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

There's even a Wiki page for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_(band)

Quote Cinema were a short-lived progressive rock band started in January 1982 by former Yes members Alan White and Chris Squire, with guitarist Trevor Rabin.[1] The previous year, Squire and White had formed the abortive band XYZ with former Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page. Cinema had plans to release their debut album in 1983, and were working on a number of songs, most of which had been written by Rabin.

Later, these musicians were joined by keyboardist Tony Kaye and, eventually, Jon Anderson, both founding members of the then-disbanded Yes. They started recording the album 90125, but soon after this the band dropped the "Cinema" name, and continued as "Yes".

Over on Yes' page:

Quote At the suggestion of record company executives, Cinema then changed their name to Yes in June 1983. Rabin initially objected to this, as he now found that he had inadvertently joined a reunited band with a history and expectations, rather than help launch a new group.

I did hear before that there was also something to do with another existing band (not necessarily an American band) called Cinema, but the truth is there were multiple bands named Cinema, even one based in Johannesburg, South Africa, where Trevor hails from.

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No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL
 

However you want to label it, Discipline is one of the best albums of the '80s. Talking Heads never made anything that good. Wink
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So lot's of mixed signals about whether or not they were played on the radio before 1980(or at least how much). I guess maybe it depends on where you lived? Not sure but check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J3IBhYGohQ


Edit: Ok, I see they were referring to Canada which is kind of strange considering they were from Canada. I wouldn't expect them to have less airplay in their home country than in the US but I guess that's how it was.

Well I am certain they were on the radio well before 1980. I grew up in SoCal and listening to KMET which was a huge player of prog and lesser known bands. SoCal was a radio market large enough to support Rush, Genesis and the like that was not common hard rock like Aerosmith, LZ, Journey.....So I think the city you might have been in could be a reason.
My family moved to New Orleans in 1980 and an eventual friend in my new neighborhood had all Rush albums on LP and cassette. Rush was pretty big in NO.......they were on the radio there too early on.

I've seen that YT before, but heck in the course of their career I still don't think they got massive airplay
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I still don't know how Peart had just two hands.

Or two feet.

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Of all the 70's prog bands Rush were the only one who went into the 80's with any dignity and without loss of integrity IMO. Permanent Waves to GUP was a run of albums which far exceeded anything by Yes, Floyd, Tull, KC or Genesis in terms of quality, for that era, IMO.
 

I agree, with the exception of King Crimson. Robert Fripp wanted to do anything but a retread of the '70s. You may recall that '80s KC was initially a band called Discipline, kind of like Yes calling themselves Cinema before they found out they couldn't.

I love '80s KC. That said, Rush from Permanent Waves through Hold Your Fire certainly enjoyed more spin time. I couldn't begin to tell you how many hours of Rush I've heard in my lifetime.

I never heard that Yes couldn't call themselves Cinema. I think it was more that they figured they could sell more by calling it Yes.

No, King Crimson in the 80's wasn't a retread of 70's prog it was a retread of the Talking Heads. LOL
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