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Currently enjoying Pennyworth...a good  Brit tale (1960's setting) of crime fantasy ,etc...with Alfred from the Batman saga I believe.
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Lost In Space S2 lands on Christmas Eve. I'm tempted to binge the whole thing in a day. Haven't done that since Nightflyers which happily landed on a 'snow day'.
I'm saving The Expanse S4 for the new year. Too much to take in in one go!
Still trying to get to the end of Man In The High Castle , that is hard work but hopefully it will be worth it.
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I binged Ad Vitam the other day on Netflix (only six episodes). Some complain that this French show moves far too slow, but such a pace is not uncommon with French shows, or anyone used to watching Art House films. Some complained about the dubbing into English, but I never go for dubs, preferring subtitles. Some complained about its lack of CGI and special effects, but for me that worked as a plus. It could be more convincing in its world building, and I do think I have seen better, but I liked it despite any financial limitations (so aside from its technology central to the show, the technology is very much like our own) and was ready to spend a certain disbelief. The ending felt a bit rushed and a little too unlikely in a certain respect.

While I could just place it in a fictional world, as it is, I tend to think of it as parallel world. If in our world, then it would have to be about 200 years in the future, but it's not that different from the way things are. The idea is that people (not everyone) have achieved the potential for very long lifespans due to regenerative technology. This could lead to overpopulation, birth restrictions, and various societal issues. But the world we see is not that heavily populated, which may be because hiring extras is expensive. The vehicles with tailpipes which indicate petrol sound like electric cars. I don't have a problem with that. I'd like to see more sci-fi shows that aren't FX driven or action oriented. While it's slow to some, and it doesn't have quick edits, even as a young child I preferred the pace and atmosphere of 2001: A Space Odyssey to Star Wars. Ad Vitam may be no masterpiece, but it's attractive to look at, and I really enjoyed it. It has some of the same feel as another modern French show on Netflix called Osmosis and can be likened in theme to another modern Netflix shows, Altered Carbon -- I enjoyed Ad Vitam more than those others. My favourite French TV show of this decade probably was one called Les Revenants (the Returned), which is of a supernatural drama ilk.

I enjoyed series one of Man in the High Castle, but never watched through much of the later ones (I am big fan of Philip K. Dick and so have read the novel -- the series is very different). I couldn't get through the re-imagined Lost in Space It's a bit too frenetic for me, and I didn't find the plot engaging (things going wrong again and again). The original was some silly fun.

I've been watching through a classic, The Invaders (saw the series when very young), but I would prefer the show if it had a stronger narrative arc and if I felt that it was getting to some resolution, but from what I recall, it was cancelled before having a resolution. I do tend to prefer shorter run series, or serials, preferably ones that were through-written, o at least that have strong "season" narrative arc. I also like anthology series. I still return to Blake's 7 often. The shows I'm most looking forward to in 2020 are new seasons/ series of Fargo, Westworld, Inside No. 9, and hopefully there will be some new Black Mirror in 2020 (late 2020 I would guess). And then there will be Doctor Who, which will have a New Years day one.   I've rather gone off the show, but I expect to find the next series/ season more satisfying than the last.

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I've been watching through a classic, The Invaders (saw the series when very young), but I would prefer the show if it had a stronger narrative arc and if I felt that it was getting to some resolution, but from what I recall, it was cancelled before having a resolution. I do tend to prefer shorter run series, or serials, preferably ones that were through-written, o at least that have strong "season" narrative arc. I also like anthology series. I still return to Blake's 7 often. The shows I'm most looking forward to in 2020 are new seasons/ series of Fargo, Westworld, Inside No. 9, and hopefully there will be some new Black Mirror in 2020 (late 2020 I would guess). And then there will be Doctor Who, which will have a New Years day one.   I've rather gone off the show, but I expect to find the next series/ season more satisfying than the last.


I've been watching the Invaders also...on one of the oldie cable channels....I watched it of course when I was a teenager. I don't recall it not having a conclusion but I guess we'll find out soon.
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I too started watching Invaders but stopped due to the poor production.   I've also been enjoying Twilight Zone's being shown on MeTV as some of the episodes were not shown when I originally saw it back in the 70s, and are new to me.   What a remarkable series.


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Did you see Canadian SciFi production series Continuum 2012-2015? One of my absolute all-time favorites. I only wish it had been able to find funding/support to have played out to the full 7-10 seasons that creator Simon Barry had intended, but they do a great job. You can find it on Showcase or SyFy. Well worth your time. 
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I've been watching through a classic, The Invaders (saw the series when very young), but I would prefer the show if it had a stronger narrative arc and if I felt that it was getting to some resolution, but from what I recall, it was cancelled before having a resolution. I do tend to prefer shorter run series, or serials, preferably ones that were through-written, o at least that have strong "season" narrative arc. I also like anthology series. I still return to Blake's 7 often. The shows I'm most looking forward to in 2020 are new seasons/ series of Fargo, Westworld, Inside No. 9, and hopefully there will be some new Black Mirror in 2020 (late 2020 I would guess). And then there will be Doctor Who, which will have a New Years day one.   I've rather gone off the show, but I expect to find the next series/ season more satisfying than the last.



I've been watching the Invaders also...on one of the oldie cable channels....I watched it of course when I was a teenager. I don't recall it not having a conclusion but I guess we'll find out soon.
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I could look it up to confirm, and my memories are vague, but I'd rather not as it might rather spoil it. We shall indeed see.

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I too started watching Invaders but stopped due to the poor production.   I've also been enjoying Twilight Zone's being shown on MeTV as some of the episodes were not shown when I originally saw it back in the 70s, and are new to me.   What a remarkable series.




I haven't had a problem with the Invaders production, I've been enjoying it a lot, again. The show is before my time, so I caught it in-re-runs originally. I'm also watching it on MeTV, and re-watching Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, which is some silly nostalgic fun for me. And Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and been enjoying The Planet of the Apes TV series, although it doesn't hold a candle to the films (which I love).

I adore The Twilight Zone, and have seen all of the episodes multiple times. Not all were shown on TV here either, but I was watching the others on Hulu, I think, some years back. Rod Serling is something of a hero to me. The Twilight Zone is truly remarkable. While the Outer Limits was capitalising on the success of the Twilight Zone, and is not as good on the whole, I also love The Outer Limits, and it has some terrific episodes. If I were MeTV, I would want to show those back-to-back.

Edit: The classic Twilight Zone is such a creative show (wasn't keen on the latest iteration on TV), and what I like to is how it deals with moral issues, and the humanity that comes through.

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Did you see Canadian SciFi production series Continuum 2012-2015? One of my absolute all-time favorites. I only wish it had been able to find funding/support to have played out to the full 7-10 seasons that creator Simon Barry had intended, but they do a great job. You can find it on Showcase or SyFy. Well worth your time. 


I caught a bit of Continuum when I had Showcase methinks. Will have to see about getting that again. My favourite Canadian sci-fi series was probably LEXX, but then I was very involved in the LEXX community, very fun and funny community, before joining this site, and got to help host some discussions with the creators and actors.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Lost In Space S2 lands on Christmas Eve. I'm tempted to binge the whole thing in a day. Haven't done that since Nightflyers which happily landed on a 'snow day'.
I'm saving The Expanse S4 for the new year. Too much to take in in one go!
Still trying to get to the end of Man In The High Castle , that is hard work but hopefully it will be worth it.

I did not find the very ending of Man in the High Castle to be satisfying. Generally, the last season was ok, but I thin the entire show suffered from changing show runners every season. While the Black Communist Rebellion story line was decent, it did feel like it just got thrown in and not something that had existed previously. 

The new season of Lost in Space looks more action-packed so that could be a good thing. Also, having the focus mostly on the Robinsons should be good. It seemed to be a bit bogged down with a whole community of ships that were "lost" in the first season.

As for shows this year that I really enjoyed, I liked the Watchmen on HBO. I thought The Boys on Amazon was fun but really dark, as was the Umbrella Academy on Netflix.  


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^ I really loved both The Boys and The Umbrella Academy. Been wanting to watch the HBO Watchmen. My other particular favourites on Prime were Good Omens (though I may slightly favour the radio series -- I'm getting the novel for Christmas), American Gods, and Preacher. And I liked Carnival Row.

My favourite SF or speculative fiction show on Netflix remains Black Mirror. And The Kingdom which is Koream historical zombie show on Netflix was excellent, I thought (Dead Set, another zombie series showing here on Netflix by the creator of Black Mirror I also thoroughly liked). I did enjoy the fantasy series version of The Dark Crystal (a film I adore).

Mentioned I think at the beginning of this thread, but for those into very dark speculative fiction avenue, I thought Utopia was terrific. It's disturbing and brutal, though.

With, Lost in Space, I'd rather see it slow down a bit. It came across as frenetic to me, but then I'm not a big fan of action fiction, generally-speaking. Maybe my brain is too slow, so I tend to favour telling stories at a more leisurely pace that gives me some space to think. I like some space in my space shows. Even as a kid, Star Wars didn't really do it for me that much, but 2001: A Space Odyssey, which some find painfully slow, did. So much of it commonly is the ideas that I am interested in (and cinematography/ aesthetic, as well as characters are important to me).

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I too started watching Invaders but stopped due to the poor production.   I've also been enjoying Twilight Zone's being shown on MeTV as some of the episodes were not shown when I originally saw it back in the 70s, and are new to me.   What a remarkable series.
I haven't had a problem with the Invaders production, I've been enjoying it a lot, again. The show is before my time, so I caught it in-re-runs originally. I'm also watching it on MeTV, and re-watching Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, which is some silly nostalgic fun for me. And Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and been enjoying The Planet of the Apes TV series, although it doesn't hold a candle to the films (which I love).

I adore The Twilight Zone, and have seen all of the episodes multiple times. Not all were shown on TV here either, but I was watching the others on Hulu, I think, some years back. Rod Serling is something of a hero to me. The Twilight Zone is truly remarkable. While the Outer Limits was capitalising on the success of the Twilight Zone, and is not as good on the whole, I also love The Outer Limits, and it has some terrific episodes. If I were MeTV, I would want to show those back-to-back.

Serling is absolutely a hero, just look at the range, those adaptations of Seven Days in May, Requiem for a Heavyweight, Patterns, and of course PotA.   Serling also hired some great younger writers like Earl Hamner.

His background is pretty intense, heavy combat in the Philippines, and dig this wild story --

For extra money in his college years, Serling worked part-time testing parachutes for the U.S. Air Force.   According to his radio station coworkers, he received $50 for each successful jump and had once been paid $500 (half before and half if he survived) for a hazardous test.   His last test jump was a few weeks before his wedding.   In one instance, he earned $1,000 for testing a jet ejection seat that had killed the previous three testers.



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Just picked up this Game of Thrones complete series, nice set with a walnut case and a 'Hand of the King' pin.   I've rewatched it four times now and recommend anyone who was a fan do the same, it's like seeing a whole new show because you've forgotten so much or didn't grasp the meaning of certain things the first time    I didn't dislike the final season as most did, it was still better than most stuff on TV -

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^ I want that Game of Thrones boxset; still haven't seen nearly all of it, but love the seasons I have seen. I was late in coming to the series, which did present problems when at dinner parties.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I too started watching Invaders but stopped due to the poor production.   I've also been enjoying Twilight Zone's being shown on MeTV as some of the episodes were not shown when I originally saw it back in the 70s, and are new to me.   What a remarkable series.
I haven't had a problem with the Invaders production, I've been enjoying it a lot, again. The show is before my time, so I caught it in-re-runs originally. I'm also watching it on MeTV, and re-watching Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, which is some silly nostalgic fun for me. And Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, and been enjoying The Planet of the Apes TV series, although it doesn't hold a candle to the films (which I love).

I adore The Twilight Zone, and have seen all of the episodes multiple times. Not all were shown on TV here either, but I was watching the others on Hulu, I think, some years back. Rod Serling is something of a hero to me. The Twilight Zone is truly remarkable. While the Outer Limits was capitalising on the success of the Twilight Zone, and is not as good on the whole, I also love The Outer Limits, and it has some terrific episodes. If I were MeTV, I would want to show those back-to-back.

Serling is absolutely a hero, just look at the range, those adaptations of Seven Days in May, Requiem for a Heavyweight, Patterns, and of course PotA.   Serling also hired some great younger writers like Earl Hamner.

His background is pretty intense, heavy combat in the Philippines, and dig this wild story --

For extra money in his college years, Serling worked part-time testing parachutes for the U.S. Air Force.   According to his radio station coworkers, he received $50 for each
successful jump and had once been paid $500 (half before and half if he
survived) for a hazardous test.   <sup ="reference" style="white-space:nowrap;"><span></span>His last test jump was a few weeks before his wedding.   In one instance,
he earned $1,000 for testing a jet ejection seat that had killed the
previous three testers.





Amazing person. I don't remember hearing that about Serling, or maybe I do a little (my memory is not what it once was). I know well about war stories and how that affected him and affected The Twilight Zone. Thanks for sharing. A story of his war days that stuck with me was when he was in the Philippines and crates were being air dropped, but they were missing the target, and then coming closer and closer to the troop. They were hungry, and a Jewish corporal who was Serling's best friend got excited, and was screaming excited jokes in anticipation of the biscuit crate, saying "Make it kosher, boys. Make it josher even if you have to drop a rabbi". This guy was the joker of the troop. They were shouting at him to get into the trench, but he just went on obliviously; he wouldn't listen. He was decapitated by the crate, and witnessing that was supposed to be one of the shaping moments for Serling. I listened to a wonderful audio documentary on Serling a month or two ago. His deep humanity, his concern for social issues and social justice, shines through. He's a really important and interesting personality. He fought with studios, and he used The Twilight Zone for allegorical purposes to shine a light on his humanistic concerns. The Twilight Zone was ahead of its time and remains timeless. Brilliant, thought-provoking, and so humane.

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^ Yes his empathy always comes through but rarely in an excessive or manipulative way, and often disguised in a good story.   When watched in the context of the early 1960s, the singularity of the TZ becomes even more clear.


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^ Yes his empathy always comes through but rarely in an excessive or manipulative way, and often disguised in a good story.   When watched in the context of the early 1960s, the singularity of the TZ becomes even more clear.




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^ I want that Game of Thrones boxset; still haven't seen nearly all of it, but love the seasons I have seen. I was late in coming to the series, which did present problems when at dinner parties.

LOL    Huge problems.   I'm ashamed to say I haven't read any of the books which of course, according to people who have, are far better.   But the thing was GoT was a visual & visceral experience for me.


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Did you see Canadian SciFi production series Continuum 2012-2015? One of my absolute all-time favorites. I only wish it had been able to find funding/support to have played out to the full 7-10 seasons that creator Simon Barry had intended, but they do a great job. You can find it on Showcase or SyFy. Well worth your time. 
 

I have to admit that I got bored with it after season two and left it there. The Netflix show Travellers explores a similar idea but did much better imo. A slight digression but was it my imagination but did the lead female actress in Continuum have surgery to correct a small cosmetic fault just under her eye? I swear it disappeared after season one!


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I binged Ad Vitam the other day on Netflix (only six episodes). Some complain that this French show moves far too slow, but such a pace is not uncommon with French shows, or anyone used to watching Art House films. Some complained about the dubbing into English, but I never go for dubs, preferring subtitles. Some complained about its lack of CGI and special effects, but for me that worked as a plus. It could be more convincing in its world building, and I do think I have seen better, but I liked it despite any financial limitations (so aside from its technology central to the show, the technology is very much like our own) and was ready to spend a certain disbelief. The ending felt a bit rushed and a little too unlikely in a certain respect.

While I could just place it in a fictional world, as it is, I tend to think of it as parallel world. If in our world, then it would have to be about 200 years in the future, but it's not that different from the way things are. The idea is that people (not everyone) have achieved the potential for very long lifespans due to regenerative technology. This could lead to overpopulation, birth restrictions, and various societal issues. But the world we see is not that heavily populated, which may be because hiring extras is expensive. The vehicles with tailpipes which indicate petrol sound like electric cars. I don't have a problem with that. I'd like to see more sci-fi shows that aren't FX driven or action oriented. While it's slow to some, and it doesn't have quick edits, even as a young child I preferred the pace and atmosphere of 2001: A Space Odyssey to Star Wars. Ad Vitam may be no masterpiece, but it's attractive to look at, and I really enjoyed it. It has some of the same feel as another modern French show on Netflix called Osmosis and can be likened in theme to another modern Netflix shows, Altered Carbon -- I enjoyed Ad Vitam more than those others. My favourite French TV show of this decade probably was one called Les Revenants (the Returned), which is of a supernatural drama ilk.

I enjoyed series one of Man in the High Castle, but never watched through much of the later ones (I am big fan of Philip K. Dick and so have read the novel -- the series is very different). I couldn't get through the re-imagined Lost in Space It's a bit too frenetic for me, and I didn't find the plot engaging (things going wrong again and again). The original was some silly fun.

I've been watching through a classic, The Invaders (saw the series when very young), but I would prefer the show if it had a stronger narrative arc and if I felt that it was getting to some resolution, but from what I recall, it was cancelled before having a resolution. I do tend to prefer shorter run series, or serials, preferably ones that were through-written, o at least that have strong "season" narrative arc. I also like anthology series. I still return to Blake's 7 often. The shows I'm most looking forward to in 2020 are new seasons/ series of Fargo, Westworld, Inside No. 9, and hopefully there will be some new Black Mirror in 2020 (late 2020 I would guess). And then there will be Doctor Who, which will have a New Years day one.   I've rather gone off the show, but I expect to find the next series/ season more satisfying than the last.
 

I thought Lost In Space Season 1 was great fun. I really like the chemistry between Toby Stephens and Molly Parker which held the whole thing up well. Some good twists.

I agree wholeheartedly about Les Revenants. Superb stuff. I've enjoyed a number a French dramas in recent years including The Chalet and Blackspot (which fit this thread idea) and Marseille and Baron Noir (which don't). I'll probably get stuck into Season 2 of Break as well soon although I'm not sure I was totally convinced by the end of S1. That was a bit much maybe!

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I also was a little disappointed in Continuum though Rachel Nichols was hot...I don't recall the cosmetic flaw.
I also liked Travelers and LEXX....though at times LEXX was a bit too campy for me.

One of my all time favorites was a show called Fringe....similar to X-Files but different enough to be interesting.
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Anyone watching His Dark Materials with Ruth Wilson and James Mcavoy..?
I think it's pretty good....hope they do a season 2 and even 3 because the 3 books end up going into our earth and other realms.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I also was a little disappointed in Continuum though Rachel Nichols was hot...I don't recall the cosmetic flaw.
I also liked Travelers and LEXX....though at times LEXX was a bit too campy for me.

One of my all time favorites was a show called Fringe....similar to X-Files but different enough to be interesting.
 

LEXX - yep I bought all the box sets. It was campy certainly but also in the best Showtime tradition indulged in a certain amount of gratuitous nudity. Can't say I complained!

Fringe was excellent . I watched the whole thing. BTW The great actor Jared Harris who played the main villain cropped up recently in the very brilliant Chernobyl and has been in the Expanse as well. I expect you knew that though!


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