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softandwet ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 06 2019 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 211 |
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That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43313 |
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Too Pretentious? Au Contraire.
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dougmcauliffe ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 23 2019 Location: US Status: Offline Points: 3895 |
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ELP and Tales From Topographic Oceans
Well probably just a lack of any knowledge of the genre actually (Tales is a great album don’t get me wrong) |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Softandwet...Their attention span is only 3 minutes...they would struggle to cook a hard boiled egg...anything musically longer than dancing queen and not with a disco beat would be beyond their sheep mentality...Don't talk about fight club, essentially...
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12381 |
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None of my friends call prog snooty. Maybe you need more informed friends.
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essexboyinwales ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 27 2015 Location: Bridgend Status: Offline Points: 5223 |
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Most of my friends would just look blank if I even mentioned the term
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20411 |
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At least, they don't call it "snotty"
![]() This could be a fitting response about their (attacker's) own music tastes... ![]() .... which in turn would confirm your "snootyness"
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I've had a few conversations with the ones who hold prog to be pretentious. I've often brought up songs like Bohemian Rhapsody, which is a darling of the metal crowd, and Come Sail Away, which is an anthem to the AOR crowd. Those songs sound more "pretentious" to me than most in main stream prog rock. Few countered with an argument.
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twosteves ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4095 |
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For friends who think prog is pretentious I always say--well if you think this is pretentious you been taken for a ride---look across the mirror before that u decide.
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15141 |
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Probably because some prog is pretentious indeed. Many see Close to the Edge as number one prog album, and I'd think it's hard to miss the showing off factor of that one. (Which doesn't mean we shouldn't like it of course.)
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presdoug ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8717 |
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Calling prog rock snooty is both lazy and a cop out. For persons who are too shallow to appreciate the finer things, musically. The same happens with classical music, where someone calls it snooty who when thinking of Beethoven, Da-Da-Da Dum comes into their mind, and that is all they do with it!
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"Calling me pretentious is like calling Black Sabbath loud" - Al Stewart
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Such terms are reserved as a psychological justification for not feeling worthy of engaging in higher art forms. Everything about consciousness is based on our mind patterns and how they are programmed. Many people have been programmed to only enjoy simplistic artistic expressions and therefore erroneously view many higher musical expressions that take longer to comprehend something that is merely created for those who enjoy it to separate themselves and place themselves on a higher level. Classical and jazz are also considered by many as snooty because they are content listening to three chord punk or pop hip hop exclusively. Sad.
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Manuel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 09 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13481 |
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Frankly, I don't really care. Many people don't like prog, and they have their personal reasons for it. I like prog, for my personal reasons too, and I prefer to leave there.
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Argo2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2017 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 4462 |
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I was in a band years ago with a guitar player who use to get on that kick.
He was one of these old school puritans that thought rock and roll should be simple, three chords & raw. Nothing wrong with that if it's what you like but we all know it can be so much more.
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Progfan97402 ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 12 2010 Location: Oregon Status: Offline Points: 93 |
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![]() Anyways, it's not just the general public that feels prog is "snooty", it was especially the rock critics. The rock critics were accusing prog of such even before punk existed. Sure some rock critics were worst about it, most particularly Dave Marsh, Lester Bangs, and Robert Christgau (although Christgau did give King Crimson's Red an A-, his reviews, regardless of artist or rating, you can't always tell if it was favorable or not). The first Rolling Stone Record Guide, from 1979 actually gave pretty favorable reviews to Yes albums, even Tales from Topographic Oceans, but in the second edition, from 1983, they couldn't cough up more than a three star rating. If I remember right, it's because Rolling Stone let Dave Marsh review those Yes albums and he never had a favorable opinion towards that band. This is the same guy with an unhealthy obsession with Jackson Browne where he throws four and five star ratings at everything he done in those books.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18893 |
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I think Peter Gabriel thought so too but then changed his mind at the last minute. Check out this last minute lyric change: "If you think that it's
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13221 |
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Snooty and pretentious?
Pffft! Merely the mewling cattle call of the unwashed masses.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29372 |
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LOL , Miss Piggy said it best
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