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    Posted: November 21 2019 at 02:02
That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
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Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
 
Too Pretentious? Au Contraire. Smile
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ELP and Tales From Topographic Oceans

Well probably just a lack of any knowledge of the genre actually

(Tales is a great album don’t get me wrong)
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Softandwet...Their attention span is only 3 minutes...they would struggle to cook a hard boiled egg...anything musically longer than dancing queen and not with a disco beat would be beyond their sheep mentality...Don't talk about fight club, essentially...
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Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
This is often the stock response from those that can't get into prog. I suppose it sounds more intelligent to them than saying that they just don't like it.
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None of my friends call prog snooty. Maybe you need more informed friends.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote essexboyinwales Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2019 at 05:50
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

None of my friends call prog snooty. Maybe you need more informed friends.

Most of my friends would just look blank if I even mentioned the termWacko
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At least, they don't call it "snotty"Tongue
 
This could be a fitting response about their (attacker's) own music tastes...Big smile
 
.... which in turn would confirm your "snootyness"LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2019 at 06:59
I've had a few conversations with the ones who hold prog to be pretentious. I've often brought up songs like Bohemian Rhapsody, which is a darling of the metal crowd, and Come Sail Away, which is an anthem to the AOR crowd. Those songs sound more "pretentious" to me than most in main stream prog rock. Few countered with an argument. 
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For friends who think prog is pretentious I always say--well if you think this is pretentious you been taken for a ride---look across the mirror before that u decide.Wink
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Probably because some prog is pretentious indeed. Many see Close to the Edge as number one prog album, and I'd think it's hard to miss the showing off factor of that one. (Which doesn't mean we shouldn't like it of course.)
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Calling prog rock snooty is both lazy and a cop out. For persons who are too shallow to appreciate the finer things, musically. The same happens with classical music, where someone calls it snooty who when thinking of Beethoven, Da-Da-Da Dum comes into their mind, and that is all they do with it!
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"Calling me pretentious is like calling Black Sabbath loud" - Al Stewart
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Such terms are reserved as a psychological justification for not feeling worthy of engaging in higher art forms. Everything about consciousness is based on our mind patterns and how they are programmed. Many people have been programmed to only enjoy simplistic artistic expressions and therefore erroneously view many higher musical expressions that take longer to comprehend something that is merely created for those who enjoy it to separate themselves and place themselves on a higher level. Classical and jazz are also considered by many as snooty because they are content listening to three chord punk or pop hip hop exclusively. Sad.

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Frankly, I don't really care. Many people don't like prog, and they have their personal reasons for it. I like prog, for my personal reasons too, and I prefer to leave there. 

Edited by Manuel - November 21 2019 at 12:47
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I was in a band years ago with a guitar player who use to get on that kick. 
He was one of these old school puritans that thought rock and roll should be simple, three chords & raw. 
Nothing wrong with that if it's what you like but we all know it can be so much more. 
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Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

For friends who think prog is pretentious I always say--well if you think this is pretentious you been taken for a ride---look across the mirror before that u decide.

LOLGenesis quote, from "It" off The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway!

Anyways, it's not just the general public that feels prog is "snooty", it was especially the rock critics. The rock critics were accusing prog of such even before punk existed. Sure some rock critics were worst about it, most particularly Dave Marsh, Lester Bangs, and Robert Christgau (although Christgau did give King Crimson's Red an A-, his reviews, regardless of artist or rating, you can't always tell if it was favorable or not). The first Rolling Stone Record Guide, from 1979 actually gave pretty favorable reviews to Yes albums, even Tales from Topographic Oceans, but in the second edition, from 1983, they couldn't cough up more than a three star rating. If I remember right, it's because Rolling Stone let Dave Marsh review those Yes albums and he never had a favorable opinion towards that band. This is the same guy with an unhealthy obsession with Jackson Browne where he throws four and five star ratings at everything he done in those books.


Edited by Progfan97402 - November 21 2019 at 22:35
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I think Peter Gabriel thought so too but then changed his mind at the last minute. Check out this last minute lyric change: "If you think that it's snooty pretentious, you've been taken for a ride." Wink
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Snooty and pretentious?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2019 at 01:38
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

That is my question. I wondered about that when a friend who I was talking about music with told me that prog was too pretentious.
 
Too Pretentious? Au Contraire. Smile
 

LOL , Miss Piggy said it best
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