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gdub411
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Topic: Pansies in Piccadilly Posted: December 31 2004 at 09:45 |
Pixel Pirate wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Pixel Pirate wrote:
Have I ever said I was hostile to gay people?! I really take offence at that,and I'm being serious. Where do you get that from my completely innocent statement? Only idiots are hostile to gays,only religious fundamentalists and Ku Klux Klan members,and I will not be lumped in with those guys,thank you very much! I also think how Alan Turing was treated was disgraceful and also how all gay people have been treated though the ages in general has been appaling, and it's impossible to have any other view and still be considered a civilized being. DON'T ASSUME THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!
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Apologies Pixel - although I was quoting you, my comments were addressed in general at the rather homophobic tone of the thread (up to that point). I realise that you were trying to redress the balance, and that we're essentially on the same side here. I could have made that clearer, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that you're some kind of nazi (having read a lot of your posts, I know you're not).
Have a peaceful and prosperous new year.
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Sorry for exploding like that,but it seemed to me that you suggested that I was some sort of homophobic and that is one of the worst forms of ignorance I can think of,so I reacted very spontaneously and,as it turned out,erroneously,so I guess I have to apologise to you for that.
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Don't worry guys. I ,being heterosexually challenged, do not find this thread offensive. Interesting, but not offensive........yet!
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 09:31 |
Thank You Syzygy, for the Circus lecture
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 07:41 |
Syzygy wrote:
Pixel Pirate wrote:
Have I ever said I was hostile to gay people?! I really take offence at that,and I'm being serious. Where do you get that from my completely innocent statement? Only idiots are hostile to gays,only religious fundamentalists and Ku Klux Klan members,and I will not be lumped in with those guys,thank you very much! I also think how Alan Turing was treated was disgraceful and also how all gay people have been treated though the ages in general has been appaling, and it's impossible to have any other view and still be considered a civilized being. DON'T ASSUME THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!
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Apologies Pixel - although I was quoting you, my comments were addressed in general at the rather homophobic tone of the thread (up to that point). I realise that you were trying to redress the balance, and that we're essentially on the same side here. I could have made that clearer, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that you're some kind of nazi (having read a lot of your posts, I know you're not).
Have a peaceful and prosperous new year.
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Sorry for exploding like that,but it seemed to me that you suggested that I was some sort of homophobic and that is one of the worst forms of ignorance I can think of,so I reacted very spontaneously and,as it turned out,erroneously,so I guess I have to apologise to you for that.
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 07:25 |
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Not sure, but Circus could be old English for Roundabout ??? |
If by 'Old English' you mean 1930s, you're half right. In the early days of the BBC, a panel of experts was convened (among them George Bernard Shaw) in order to decide what, exactly, constituted 'correct' English. This committee decided that what we now know as a roundabout should be called a gyratory circus, but for some reason it never caught on. It does survive in a few places, such as the notorious Hanger Lane Gyratory on London's North Circular road. Negotiating that would make the Dalai Lama swear .
That, however, is not the etymology of Picadilly Circus - that is an older term, referring to a round, open space in a town where several streets converge. There are several in central London, including Cambridge Circus, which is about 20 minutes walk from Picadilly.
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 07:24 |
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Where is that Sigod when you need him ??? |
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 07:20 |
tuxon wrote:
BTW. I'm as straight as an oaktree in a small breeze.
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Really? I bend a little to the right.
Must have been all those meetings with Mrs Plamer and her five daughters...
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 07:16 |
Pixel Pirate wrote:
Have I ever said I was hostile to gay people?! I really take offence at that,and I'm being serious. Where do you get that from my completely innocent statement? Only idiots are hostile to gays,only religious fundamentalists and Ku Klux Klan members,and I will not be lumped in with those guys,thank you very much! I also think how Alan Turing was treated was disgraceful and also how all gay people have been treated though the ages in general has been appaling, and it's impossible to have any other view and still be considered a civilized being. DON'T ASSUME THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!
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Apologies Pixel - although I was quoting you, my comments were addressed in general at the rather homophobic tone of the thread (up to that point). I realise that you were trying to redress the balance, and that we're essentially on the same side here. I could have made that clearer, and I certainly didn't mean to imply that you're some kind of nazi (having read a lot of your posts, I know you're not).
Have a peaceful and prosperous new year.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:29 |
Edited by Velvetclown
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 06:27 |
Yes,I'm sure it's his fault. We all know he's completely evil and up to no good so shrinking Picadilly Circus is child's play to this criminal genius.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:49 |
I blame Reed Lover for that !!!!!!!!!! ( I blame him for everything, neat eh )
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:47 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Anyway I was there in May this year and it was not such a large place as I had imagined |
I know what you mean. I felt the same when I was there.
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:40 |
Anyway I was there in May this year and it was not such a large place as I had imagined
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:39 |
Where is that Sigod when you need him ???
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:33 |
Not sure, but Circus could be old English for Roundabout ???
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:23 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Itīs not really a Circus
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I have never thought of that before. It's quite clearly not a circus in any way,why is it called a circus then?
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:02 |
And one Elephant for that drunk Tuxon
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 05:00 |
Itīs not really a Circus
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Pixel Pirate
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 04:16 |
Syzygy wrote:
Pixel Pirate wrote:
The arts in general have always had a much larger share of gay people than other professions,don't quite know why though. |
Not true. The arts in general have always had a much larger share of people who are OPENLY gay.
Here in the UK there is plenty of homophobia, but being open about your sexuality does no damage to a career in music or the arts - witness Elton John, George Michael, David Hockney and Ian McKellen, all of whom are generally regarded as national treasures. Elton John is a well established royal favourite, and Ian McKellen has a knighthood.
If you really think that this is a bad thing, look up Alan Turing online and read about what he achieved and the shameful events which led to his death.
You could also read the story of Justin Fashanu, a gifted football player.
By the way, you've all missed Rob Halford of Judas Priest - bet that one shocked you!
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Have I ever said I was hostile to gay people?! I really take offence at that,and I'm being serious. Where do you get that from my completely innocent statement? Only idiots are hostile to gays,only religious fundamentalists and Ku Klux Klan members,and I will not be lumped in with those guys,thank you very much! I also think how Alan Turing was treated was disgraceful and also how all gay people have been treated though the ages in general has been appaling, and it's impossible to have any other view and still be considered a civilized being. DON'T ASSUME THINGS ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE!
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Odi profanum vulgus et arceo.
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 23:23 |
Are artists genetically determined, or do they choose to be artists?
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 16:38 |
maani wrote:
As a matter of history, it is true that there has been more "open" homosexuality in the arts than in most other areas of endeavor. |
Actually if we're talking percentage... I live in NYC... I find more opening gay men in the travel industry and fashion and beauty.. than I do in the arts. I know quite a few gay actors and dancers.. but I know 4 times many straight ones... I can't say that about my hotel/airline reps, male fashion designers or my hair dressers...
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