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Nogbad_The_Bad
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My biggest problem (as usual with neo bands) are the lyrics and vocals.
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Ian
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dougmcauliffe
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Just finished the second disc, didn’t impress me as much. Will listen again throughout the week
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Flucktrot
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Not a five star for me, and in 6 months the ratings will reflect that. Have to agree though with folks above regarding the production, as it's awesome.
Look, we get a new IQ album every 5 years, so it's special in that way no matter what. What I really love about this album is that it takes all of what makes IQ what they are (heavy keys, mechanical yet organic, no vocal harmonies, like, ever) and puts that in their best form. Unlike previous albums, which always had cool sections that may not flow that well to together, I love how this album evolves in a way that's not prog-by-numbers or forced. IQ keeps getting slowly better to me, and this might be the culmination, if not a revelation.
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Tapfret
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I agree, though that is my second biggest problem. The ubiquitous synthesizer string patches become grating rather quickly. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Oh yeah, one of the saving graces is the lack of harmony vocals. Lush synth patches & harmony vocals make my skin crawl.
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Ian
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foregonillusions
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The rating will definitely decrease simply due to an increase of the sample size, but I do believe this album is really good. I'm still unsure if it's better as The Road of Bones (I really liked the lyrics and story. The ending of "Until The End" is beautiful.), but it's at least as enjoyable for me. And what's impressive is that despite its 109 minute length, I never feel bored nor tired. Worst thing I can say about it is what one reviewer already mentioned, and that is I'd prefer more lead guitar to go along with the great keys. If you love or even merely like neo-prog, this will be a strong contender for your AOTY. IQ almost always delivers, someway or another.
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essexboyinwales
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Nail on head. Too early to say whether it's as good as TROB, but then it took a while for that one to fully reveal itself. And Frequency is a perfect album. And The Seventh House. And Ever...... IQ are unbelievably consistent, they're lovely guys, and they do it for fun. I love them to bits! But yes the album rating will drop. I remember five years ago, that TROB was sitting at these levels initially. It's now at 4.26 and sits at 69 in the all time list. I expect Resistance will do something similar, but maybe stay higher. My favourite track so far is The Great Spirit Way. They do love a good epic! But If Anything is also gorgeous, and quite different for IQ....
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miamiscot
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Very good record. I gave it five stars and I really believe it's worthy of that score. Their best? Maybe (Road Of Bones is incredible). Better than Wobbler? No way, Jose!!!
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Grumpyprogfan
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Have not heard it yet. I don't like Peter Nicholl's voice. Road of Bones, which I own, gets a 3 star from me. Dark Matter I liked better, but the songwriting is so bland and unoriginal. Every release sounds the same.
No doubt this is overrated like so many releases on PA. |
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Logan
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I am of the opinion that most "art" and more is overrated and underrated by someone from an objective standpoint. Rating Resistance highly because you love it would not be overrating it, claiming that it's the most original, exciting, and best music ever would be, or making claims as objective fact that wouldn't stand close scrutiny. I've seen various people make claims of merit and demerit about bands and albums that were verifiably wrong. It's important to try to separate the subjective from the objective when using a term such as overrated and underrated from my perspective (should have an explicit framework of analysis/ criteria).
I took the time to listen to quite a bit, more bits and pieces throughout, and it sounded dull and derivative to me, and over-produced, and referenced music styles that I dislike. I couldn't fairly judge it that way, even based on my taste. Albums can take time to grow on one too. Those echo effects on the vocals annoyed me. That said, Neo-Prog is not my thing, and while the album is not my taste, I won;t complain about others who love it even if it is dull to me, and I find it derivative. There's some derivative music that I love, it just has to be derivative of the kinds of music I love (that said, I wouldn't hold it in as high regard as the orginators in that sense even if I enjoyed the music more, and sometimes who I thought were the originators weren't as original or innovative as I thought once I got to know related earlier music). By the way, at rateyourmusic, a general music site but one where albums commonly get many more ratings, Resistance has three reviews, 57 ratings, and a 3.88 rating. Here it has a 4.64 with 105 ratings and seven reviews. Sometimes when such albums come out, we do get people joining PA just to rate/review such albums (and sometimes one user posting multiple times under different accounts), but I haven't reviewed the raters much. There have been times when groups have tried to manipulate the placement/ranking, but I'm not noticing a problem of that like this time (In those cases people often prop up one album while down-rating others). At this times we have seen huge numbers of ratings over a very short period of time. I don't give much heed when it comes to how I should value something by how an album is ranked or rated generally, or chart positions. I'd rather follow trusted raters, generally, who share similar tastes to my own. An album may be very professionally made, yet I hate it. To each his or her own tastes. That said, general ratings can be a good guide for me when it comes to artists that I care about or ones that I want to look into of styles that I am into. Edited by Logan - October 14 2019 at 12:30 |
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dougmcauliffe
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Second listen didn’t go too well, really can’t tell songs apart and it’s just boring, if anything wouldn’t sound out of place on we can’t dance. Gonna keep listening but it’s looking like a 3 rn
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Logan
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For such a long album (108 minutes and 37 seconds), you have much more patience than I do. There's so much great for me music out there that I couldn't be bothered spending so much time with an album that I found boring. I don't have to love an album initially, but if nothing grabs or at least intrigues me musically, then I would be unlikely to wish to return to it (at least in full). I have sometimes heard albums when In the wrong mood, not enjoyed them much, come back and loved them, but this won;t be one of those albums as it's too removed from my tastes (that said, it did have some moments I liked, but those were quickly spoiled). To be honest, it's not an album I even would want to acquire the taste for.
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micky
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hahah... no idea..
but I have my suspicions as to the answer..
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dr wu23
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I found both Dark Matter and Frequency more interesting/enjoyable on a melodic level than Road, and I still haven't listened to the new one.
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dougmcauliffe
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It is easily twice as long as it should be. Nearly 2 hours of music is 99% of the time, too much. Optimal length for me is 35-55 minutes |
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richardh
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strange as it's often the thing I like about them I've 'been' with IQ since they arrived in the early eighties. They were the only neo-prog band that impressed me. Punkish and uncompromising with a level of sophistication that rivals the best. The only thing missing was the production but that was sorted when they set up their own studio and record label GEP in the 90's and also helped the likes of Threshold and Spock's Beard . They are heroes of prog! As for the best albums (since 1993) it's a bit like Star Trek movies for me Ever 5 stars Subterranea 3 stars The Seventh House 4 stars Dark Matter 3 stars Frequency 5 stars The Road Of Bones (2 disc edition) 4 stars The Resistance undecided I've only listened to it twice but I do think it's better than TROB which, but for the second disc, would have been only 3 stars.
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essexboyinwales
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I would give all IQ studio albums at least 9 out of 10 (except for SSI98, which is "different"). The middle of Dark Matter dips a little for me. Two tracks on Nomzamo are weaker, but it's still one of my favourite albums of all time (first IQ album). TROB is a massive 5 stars, just for disc 1. It's completely awesome. But it took me a while to get there. Subterranea (first time I heard PN's voice) took me years to appreciate!! It's still too early with Resistance, but I currently find the closing track (Fallout, over 19 minutes) to be a bit bland (for IQ) - ie. it doesn't have any particular instrumental section (keys or guitar) which grab me like in all other IQ epics. But it's not a bad song. I also don't partcularly like the first 3 or so minutes of For Another Lifetime, but the rest of the song is fabulous.... I am a fanboy, I know it, and I don't care! For me, they're the best prog band out there
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chopper
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It's good but it's not blowing me away in the way that Dark Matter did. It will drop down the ratings over time.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Possiby but I'm sure there are those who thought that about Wobbler and All Traps on Earth also.
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lazland
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I'm still waiting for it to hit me in the manner TROB did.
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