The American Politics Thread

npjnpj wrote: Woah, stop right there! Kurds do not equal PKK, that's propaganda. Pack it in!

Of course they do not equal PKK. Lots of Kurds despise PKK too. Yet there are also lots who take pleasure when their terrorist actions result in casualties, beside the ones openly support PKK.

There are also lots of Turks (mostly leftists) that symphatize with PKK.

In Turkey, even racism is not easy to decipher. In fact, when you analyze the situation enough, you see that the thing is mostly ethnic discrimination, rather than a racial one. That means for most Turks: "if you don't behave, dress etc. like a Kurd, you're one of us.". Don't get me wrong, I don't support ethnic discrimination, yet I find it more humane than racial segregation.

Edited by Odvin Draoi - October 12 2019 at 10:02

npjnpj wrote: I think you'll find that in most civilized countries both are illegal.

@rogerthat: If every one of such utterances were fined according to the law, the UK could forget Brexit and just buy the EU.


Edited by npjnpj - October 12 2019 at 10:24

SteveG wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: President Trump is the greatest! How can anyone possibly NOT like him!?? He LOVES America.     Trump's 'stable genius' has caused the death of hundreds of Kurds with many more to follow. Does he have a magic wand to fix that? How can anyone in their right mind champion this murderer?

Not defending Trump in the least, yet YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE INTERFERED (if you're talking with the voice of the West, in general here). If you want to fight ISIS, just send your people to fight. Not fortify people, and make them fight for you. It is not a computer game, real people are in danger here. Let them be Americans, if the USA and the West in general is fighting them. Or else, pull back your octopus tentacles altogether. I can concede that this might be untimely, yet in the first place, you should never have intervened.

Edited by Odvin Draoi - October 12 2019 at 11:37

Seen it all before. Sanctions are debated, discussions are labeled urgent, countermeasures are scheduled to begin as early as the end of the next month after the elections, and then: what, too late? All dead? Oh well, we tried.

Edited by npjnpj - October 12 2019 at 12:46

Odvin Draoi wrote: SteveG wrote: Odvin Draoi wrote: SteveG wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: President Trump is the greatest! How can anyone possibly NOT like him!?? He LOVES America.     Trump's 'stable genius' has caused the death of hundreds of Kurds with many more to follow. Does he have a magic wand to fix that? How can anyone in their right mind champion this murderer? Not defending Trump in the least, yet YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE INTERFERED (if you're talking with the voice of the West, in general here). If you want to fight ISIS, just send your people to fight. Not fortify people, and make them fight for you. It is not a computer game, real people are in danger here. Let them be Americans, if the USA and the West in general is fighting them. Or else, pull back your octopus tentacles altogether. I can concede that this might be untimely, yet in the first place, you should never have intervened. And what does this pandering and backwards finger pointing do to stop Kurds from being murdered right now? Sounds like the drivel that Trump would say. Did I state that my statement is to save Kurds or sth.? Nor is this all, do you think your statement can do anything to solve the issue? Long before I heard that there's a guy named Donald Trump, I was already criticizing the Western world who think they have the right to intervene, interfere, correct, fix etc. the rest of the world, because they are more civilized. This is laughable, sorry. Time to remove your Eurocentric lens, to see the events clearly. There are people that can do that around your region, you can do that too.

Answering a question with a question simply deflects the issue. You've learned well from the Trump age. Again you're assigning or, in my estimation, shifting blame. At least my voice brings focus to this atrocity to this thread, where it belongs. Btw pal, I'm American.

SteveG wrote: Odvin Draoi wrote: SteveG wrote: Odvin Draoi wrote: SteveG wrote: Psychedelic Paul wrote: President Trump is the greatest! How can anyone possibly NOT like him!?? He LOVES America.     Trump's 'stable genius' has caused the death of hundreds of Kurds with many more to follow. Does he have a magic wand to fix that? How can anyone in their right mind champion this murderer? Not defending Trump in the least, yet YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE INTERFERED (if you're talking with the voice of the West, in general here). If you want to fight ISIS, just send your people to fight. Not fortify people, and make them fight for you. It is not a computer game, real people are in danger here. Let them be Americans, if the USA and the West in general is fighting them. Or else, pull back your octopus tentacles altogether. I can concede that this might be untimely, yet in the first place, you should never have intervened. And what does this pandering and backwards finger pointing do to stop Kurds from being murdered right now? Sounds like the drivel that Trump would say. Did I state that my statement is to save Kurds or sth.? Nor is this all, do you think your statement can do anything to solve the issue? Long before I heard that there's a guy named Donald Trump, I was already criticizing the Western world who think they have the right to intervene, interfere, correct, fix etc. the rest of the world, because they are more civilized. This is laughable, sorry. Time to remove your Eurocentric lens, to see the events clearly. There are people that can do that around your region, you can do that too. Answering a question with a question simply deflects the issue. You've learned well from the Trump age. Again you're assigning or, in my estimation, shifting blame. At least my voice brings focus to this atrocity to this thread, where it belongs. Btw pal, I'm American.

My "question-answer" was explanatory enough. I'm an anarchist, my biggest dream is the collapse of all nations including mine. If I sounded like I make-believe otherwise, I'm sorry. I never supported and will never support Erdoğan. I don't try to justify my country's actions, either. I just want you to see your "perspective" is not everybody's perspective in the world. Especially conviction from overseas is very easy, but I assure you wouldn't be so sure if you lived here.

BTW: Eurocentrism is a term, that generally encompasses Americans too.

Anyway, peace. 

Edited by Odvin Draoi - October 12 2019 at 14:45

If you don't like the "Abracadabra" Trump meme, you could always watch the video and enjoy the song instead. After all, it is a music site.