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progmatic
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:00 |
digdug wrote:
voted for Marillion as they are my fave neo prog band
there are many other bands on the list that I like more than Marillion but I won't call them Neo... |
This absolutely.
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Gerinski
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:38 |
Argo2112 wrote:
Probably could have avoided all this Neo Prog back & forth debate by calling the poll " Post 70's prog" ( or something like that) I understand where you were going with it but that might have silenced all the critics.
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Yes that would have made more sense.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:44 |
IQ for sure...but....I also love early Spocks Beard with Morse and classic Porcupine Tree.
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Logan
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 13:55 |
Gerinski wrote:
Argo2112 wrote:
Probably could have avoided all this Neo Prog back & forth debate by calling the poll " Post 70's prog" ( or something like that) I understand where you were going with it but that might have silenced all the critics.
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Yes that would have made more sense. | Or "Post Classic Era Prog". The Saga album I found most enjoyable is the self-titled, which came out in 1978. And Twelth Night goes back further than the 80s. In fact, the first performance of Twelth Night was way back in February 2, 1602, but I don't wish to make much ado about nothing. Keep it as you like it, all's well that ends well et cetera.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:10 |
Logan wrote:
Or "Post Classic Era Prog". The Saga album I found most enjoyable is the self-titled, which came out in 1978. And Twelth Night goes back further than the 80s. In fact, the first performance of Twelth Night was way back in February 2, 1602, but I don't wish to make much ado about nothing. Keep it as you like it, all's well that ends well et cetera. |
You deserve a Hamlet cigar for that Shakespearean post. 
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:38 |
Gerinski wrote:
Argo2112 wrote:
Probably could have avoided all this Neo Prog back & forth debate by calling the poll " Post 70's prog" ( or something like that) I understand where you were going with it but that might have silenced all the critics.
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Yes that would have made more sense. |
Agree.
Imagine this scenario but apply it to neo prog:
Mother: That's not orange juice you're drinking. It's grapefruit juice.
Boy: But I want it to be orange juice so I'm calling it orange juice.
Mother: Calling it orange juice doesn't make it orange juice.
Boy: I don't care. I'm calling it orange juice anyway.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:40 |
Logan wrote:
The Saga album I found most enjoyable is the self-titled, which came out in 1978. |
Great one, and pretty bold at the time to make such a robotic prog record.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 14:43 |
chopper wrote:
Manuel wrote:
I voted It Bites. I don't think The Flower Kings, Spock's Beard and Transatlantic are neo prog though. | I agree, neither are Echolyn | Nor Saga.
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Lewian
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 18:05 |
I don't mind what's "really neo-prog". Genre labels are overrated.
Best from the list are Porcupine Tree. Also I like some Echolyn & Saga.
Edited by Lewian - October 07 2019 at 18:06
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 18:21 |
^ Still, neoprog has a distinctive era and sound which a band like the Tangent does not reflect. Labels are overrated but useful.
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YESESIS
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Posted: October 07 2019 at 18:47 |
Logan wrote:
Or "Post Classic Era Prog". The Saga album I found most enjoyable is the self-titled, which came out in 1978. And Twelth Night goes back further than the 80s. In fact, the first performance of Twelth Night was way back in February 2, 1602, but I don't wish to make much ado about nothing. Keep it as you like it, all's well that ends well et cetera. |
My favorite Saga album is definitely Silent Knight. But all of their first three are really good imo, better than their 4th which is usually picked as their best.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 01:55 |
I stand by my decision to include all of those artists in the Neo-Prog poll. It doesn't mean I'm right and others are wrong though, or vice versa - it simply means we all have different definitions of what is and isn't Neo-Prog. At the moment, three clear leaders have emerged in the poll:- IQ with 11 votes; Marillion with 10 votes; & Porcupine Tree with 9 votes.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 08 2019 at 10:54
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Barbu
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 02:03 |
TFK, PT and SB are third wave man, not neo.
No vote.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 07:33 |
TheH wrote:
I think you should inform yourself what Neo Prog is at all before.Astra: Heavy Psych Retro Space Rockers, what do you think is Neo Prog about them??? (they can't be further away) |
I included Astra in my poll because they're one of my favourite modern (or neo) Progressive Rock bands.  In retrospect, I wish I'd included Mostly Autumn in my poll too for the same reason as above. 
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 07:39 |
Lewian wrote:
I don't mind what's "really neo-prog". Genre labels are overrated.
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I agree!
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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 10:37 |
Barbu wrote:
TFK, PT and SB are third wave man, not neo.
No vote. |
harrumph 
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 15:25 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
I stand by my decision to include all of those artists in the Neo-Prog poll. It doesn't mean I'm right and others are wrong though, or vice versa - it simply means we all have different definitions of what is and isn't Neo-Prog. At the moment, three clear leaders have emerged in the poll:- IQ with 11 votes; Marillion with 10 votes; & Porcupine Tree with 9 votes.
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I guess it's not just politicians who double down.
No way is PT a neo prog band by any stretch of the imagination. 
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 08 2019 at 15:25
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YESESIS
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 15:46 |
Ok, I've decided that I'm the one who decides what this
neo-prog is and what it is not. And so my decision is that anything
released after and including A Trick of the Tail is neo-prog and stuff.
I have spoken.
Edited by YESESIS - October 08 2019 at 15:50
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 17:14 |
YESESIS wrote:
Ok, I've decided that I'm the one who decides what this
neo-prog is and what it is not. And so my decision is that anything
released after and including A Trick of the Tail is neo-prog and stuff.
I have spoken.
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The on-going debate about what is and isn't Neo-Prog has seemingly become more important than the results of the actual poll.  I don't regret including all 22 of those bands (especially Porcupine Tree) in the poll. but I DO regret leaving out one of my favourite prog bands, Mostly Autumn.
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 08 2019 at 17:20
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YESESIS
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Posted: October 08 2019 at 17:50 |
Psychedelic Paul wrote:
The on-going debate about what is and isn't Neo-Prog has seemingly become more important than the results of the actual poll.  I don't regret including all 22 of those bands (especially Porcupine Tree) in the poll. but I DO regret leaving out one of my favourite prog bands, Mostly Autumn.
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Right on man, it's your poll, no regrets. It's not like you included ELP or classic Genesis, or something like that. So nothing that's clearly wrong with it, just people being a little nitpicky. You're handling it well though.
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