The American Politics Thread

Snicolette Wrote:- "I can't help but wonder why there are now 2 extra topics of 45 discussion.  Seems like on a prog site one politics topic should be enough (even though I contribute, I know some think none would be more appropriate).  Unless people want to start extra topics of "the other side," that is...which I actually wouldn't want to see, even though I'm among that number, hoping that 45 doesn't become an LP."I just figured out what you meant by "45"  ....... He's a Long Player and I'm sure "45" will still be President in 2025

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 02 2019 at 13:12

Thanks...I can see multiple topics of artists (esp because one might get buried until new releases come out and not being able to find the original topic of that artist, etc), but this is kind of a non-music thing.  I would feel the same about multiple topics about the opposing political force, just seems more fitting.  I don't mind seeing viewpoints opposite of mine, lets me know what others are thinking, as long as no one starts getting mean about it.

Edited by Snicolette - October 02 2019 at 13:36

Yeah, he's in Nottingham. There are quite a few Trump supporters in the UK -- a great many of them are UKIP, Brexit supporters, EDL supporters... Our poster from Sheffield, England, Matthew _Gill, who collected tactical flashlights (and knives?), had the world's largest cat, he really did I saw it in the Guinness Book of World Records, was also of that persuasion. He wrote: "Trump is a godsend for the US, in the UK we have a Jihadi sympathiser called Jeremy Corbyn in the running who might sell us to Saudi Arabia." He was a fan of Tommy Robinson: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=119549

I already posted this video, but this took place in London:



By the way, things like the terrorist attacks, and migration from Africa etc., galvanised a lot of support for the far right and people such as Trump in England and continental Europe. There has been a lot of fear and the idea that only such people will stand up to a danger that threatens not only people's safety but Western culture/ civilisation. There has been much anxiety too over immigration generally.



Edited by Logan - October 02 2019 at 21:43

It's a national populist movement that spans continents, and Trump is one of the posterboys/ girls: Trump, Marine Le Pen, Salvini, Geert Wilders is linked in that, Steve Bannon, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson to whatever extent. They all share similar concerns. There's been a surge in the far right in Germany, Sweden, Spain, France and many other countries as people feel threatened. Part of it is the fear of the Islamicisation of Europe, as the terror attacks and Jihadi/ extremism has got so much coverage. They see an ally in Trump. And there's a common hatred of political correctness. Like you said, people want a return to the good old days, not economically really, but socially. The days when the Doctor in Doctor Who was a man, and her companions (or fam as she calls them) weren't so ethnically diverse. Forget about the Jihadists, now if that doesn't provoke far right extremism in the UK, what will? ;)

Spelling is one way to see if someone's American or been American, though the spelling may have been "Anglicised" after transplanting.

Edited by Logan - October 02 2019 at 22:14

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[Trolling Trump image removed. Try to keep it civil and articulate - L]

Edited by Logan - October 07 2019 at 12:08

It seems that some bewildered liberals are still struggling to comprehend the Trump Administration's enormous number of accomplishments over the last 32 months, so just to make things easier for you all to understand, here's an itemised list of what President Trump has done for Americans so far:-

Almost 4 million jobs created since election.

More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in U.S. history.

More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created  since President Trump's election.

Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.

Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.

New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.

African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.

Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.

Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.

Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.

Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

Under the Trump Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.

Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.

The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.

95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.

A surge in retail sales under the Trump Administration, up another 6 percent over last year.

The biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in U.S. history signed by President Trump.

As a result of Trump's tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.

President Trump helped secure the U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

President Trump helped secure U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.

Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines approved by the Trump Administration

Record number of regulations eliminated.

Regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions enacted by the Trump Administration.

Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

The Trump Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.

Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to the Trump Administration's  efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.

Medicare program reformed to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.

Right-To-Try legislation signed by President Trump.

$6 billion in NEW funding secured by the Trump Administration to fight the opioid epidemic.

VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act signed by President Trump, expanding VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Coal exports increased by 60 percent and U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.

United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

United States withdrawn from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

The illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan cancelled by the Trump Administration

Record $700 billion in military funding secured by the Trump Administration.

NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.

More circuit court judges confirmed than any other new administration.

U.S. Withdrawn from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

U.S. Embassy moved to Jerusalem.

Americans protected from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

Executive Order issued  to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

A historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal concluded to replace NAFTA.

A breakthrough agreement reached with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

Tariffs imposed on foreign steel and aluminum to protect U.S. national security.

Tariffs imposed  on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.

Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.

Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.

Work has begun on building THE WALL on the U.S.-Mexican border. .

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 04 2019 at 04:42

Psychedelic Paul wrote: It seems that some bewildered liberals are still struggling to comprehend the Trump Administration's enormous number of accomplishments over the last 32 months, so just to make things easier for you all to understand, here's an itemised list of what President Trump has done for Americans so far:- Almost 4 million jobs created since election. More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in U.S. history. More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created  since President Trump's election. Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES. Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent. New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low. Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded. African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded. Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded. Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded. Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years. Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma. Under the Trump Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years. Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election. The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever. A surge in retail sales under the Trump Administration, up another 6 percent over last year. The biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in U.S. history signed by President Trump. As a result of Trump's tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years. President Trump helped secure the U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. President Trump helped secure U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup. Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines approved by the Trump Administration Record number of regulations eliminated. Regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions enacted by the Trump Administration. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE. The Trump Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans. Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to the Trump Administration's  efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases. Medicare program reformed to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone. Right-To-Try legislation signed by President Trump. $6 billion in NEW funding secured by the Trump Administration to fight the opioid epidemic. VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act signed by President Trump, expanding VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care. Coal exports increased by 60 percent and U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high. United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957. United States withdrawn from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord. The illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan cancelled by the Trump Administration Record $700 billion in military funding secured by the Trump Administration. NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016. Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces. More circuit court judges confirmed than any other new administration. U.S. Withdrawn from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal. U.S. Embassy moved to Jerusalem. Americans protected from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court. Executive Order issued  to keep open Guantanamo Bay. A historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal concluded to replace NAFTA. A breakthrough agreement reached with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports. Tariffs imposed on foreign steel and aluminum to protect U.S. national security. Tariffs imposed  on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices. Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year. Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement. Work has begun on building THE WALL on the U.S.-Mexican border. .

Wow, you're the Trumphant here. Yet you fail to impress your title's missing letter; "I".

As I said, I don't waste my time and emotions to hate Trump, yet If I were an American, I would definitely write and follow my own motto, which is:

Dump,
The comfortably dumb
Donald Trump

I'm against the status quo, yet I would only support a "game changer", if I believe in his/her ethics.

So nationally I'd never support Erdoğan
On a large scale, I'd never support Trump.

My ideal is anarchism, yet I'm not dumb not to support a leader which would make a difference in a good way.

Edited by Odvin Draoi - October 04 2019 at 06:24

Psychedelic Paul wrote: It seems that some bewildered liberals are still struggling to comprehend the Trump Administration's enormous number of accomplishments over the last 32 months, so just to make things easier for you all to understand, here's an itemised list of what President Trump has done for Americans so far:- Seen from Europe: Almost 4 million jobs created since election. Numbers. Where are they from? In Italy we had a premier saying 1 Million, but if you end a contract and open a new one he was counting twice. If you lose a permanent and have 1 month job you are counted 1. More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in U.S. history. Same as above. Wiyhout reliable sources it's just numbers. More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created  since President Trump's election. Again. The quality of jobs should be taken into account, too. I know that without health insurance you can get bankrupted there. Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES. Numbers, still numbers... Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent. I quit saying "nubers.." the concept should be clear... New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low. Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded. African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded. Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded. Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded. Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years. Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma. Under the Trump Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years. Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election. The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever. Even less significant than the other numbers. A surge in retail sales under the Trump Administration, up another 6 percent over last year. The biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in U.S. history signed by President Trump. To the wealthiest, sure. As a result of Trump's tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years. President Trump helped secure the U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Who cares? President Trump helped secure U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup. Just because Qatar has stolen the 2024. Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines approved by the Trump Administration Stealing the sacred land from the natives. Record number of regulations eliminated. Regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions enacted by the Trump Administration. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE. So that about 30 millions (I have read, correct me from wrong) of Americans are left with no health system. The Trump Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans. Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to the Trump Administration's  efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases. Medicare program reformed to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone. Right-To-Try legislation signed by President Trump. $6 billion in NEW funding secured by the Trump Administration to fight the opioid epidemic. VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act signed by President Trump, expanding VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care. Coal exports increased by 60 percent and U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high. United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957. United States withdrawn from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord. The illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan cancelled by the Trump Administration Record $700 billion in military funding secured by the Trump Administration. NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016. Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces. More circuit court judges confirmed than any other new administration. U.S. Withdrawn from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal. U.S. Embassy moved to Jerusalem. Americans protected from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court. Executive Order issued  to keep open Guantanamo Bay. A historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal concluded to replace NAFTA. A breakthrough agreement reached with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports. Tariffs imposed on foreign steel and aluminum to protect U.S. national security. Tariffs imposed  on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices. Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year. Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement. Work has begun on building THE WALL on the U.S.-Mexican border. .