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marktheshark
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Topic: Jan Wenner & Rolling Stone vs Prog Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:05 |
Seen some threads regarding the disregard of prog in the R&R Hall of Fame. Seems some people think that Ahmet at Atlantic may have some repsonsibility. I got news for you all. It's Wenner at RS! I'll explain.
Back in '99 when I moved here to Cleveland, I went to the HOF. I then later contacted the curator (I forget his name) and offered some artifacts of my own for display. Mostly sheet music of Bill Haley, Elvis and Beatles. So, I loaned them to the HOF for a while and after a few other contacts I was able to submit some essays and reviews (mostly on non-prog music) to them. Some of them got published in their newsletter Liner Notes.
Then I wrote an article about prog music and mentioned that groups like KC, Genesis, Yes and ELP are being neglected by the HOF and probably 'cause Jan Wenner and RS has always looked at prog in a negative light and that RS has too much power in the induction process which I found out was true earlier from another writer. Next thing I know I'm blacklisted and that was the end of my rock journalist career. Not that there was much of one in the 1st place. Liner Notes is just a rag anyway. I was only paid $50 a shot! OH WELL! Your inputs please.
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:16 |
Rolling Stone sucks.
They gives most prog albums awful reviews, sans a few. Those they bother to review (mostly 70's prog giants).
Hate them. Closeminded F*cks.
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marktheshark
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:39 |
That's certainly another way of putting it. And yes, I agree. RS used to be a good groundbreaking rag. 'Til they got all narrowminded and 1 dimensional later in the 70s.
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Paradox
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 19:04 |
Maybe each genre of rock should have its own HOF...
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 19:08 |
Paradox wrote:
Maybe each genre of rock should have its own HOF...
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i agree, i nominate YES as the first inductee, any objections?
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Paradox
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 19:11 |
None at all
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 21:00 |
marktheshark wrote:
Seen some threads regarding the disregard of prog in the R&R Hall of Fame. Seems some people think that Ahmet at Atlantic may have some repsonsibility. I got news for you all. It's Wenner at RS! I'll explain.
Back in '99 when I moved here to Cleveland, I went to the HOF. I then later contacted the curator (I forget his name) and offered some artifacts of my own for display. Mostly sheet music of Bill Haley, Elvis and Beatles. So, I loaned them to the HOF for a while and after a few other contacts I was able to submit some essays and reviews (mostly on non-prog music) to them. Some of them got published in their newsletter Liner Notes.
Then I wrote an article about prog music and mentioned that groups like KC, Genesis, Yes and ELP are being neglected by the HOF and probably 'cause Jan Wenner and RS has always looked at prog in a negative light and that RS has too much power in the induction process which I found out was true earlier from another writer. Next thing I know I'm blacklisted and that was the end of my rock journalist career. Not that there was much of one in the 1st place. Liner Notes is just a rag anyway. I was only paid $50 a shot! OH WELL! Your inputs please.
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"Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." -Zappa
I'm sorry to hear that. The Rolling Stone Magazine is a bunch of crap.
They just don't like hearing the truth...
I've pretty much given up on anything prog getting into the R&RHOF.
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marktheshark
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 21:16 |
Arsillus wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Seen some threads regarding the disregard of prog in the R&R Hall of Fame. Seems some people think that Ahmet at Atlantic may have some repsonsibility. I got news for you all. It's Wenner at RS! I'll explain. Back in '99 when I moved here to Cleveland, I went to the HOF. I then later contacted the curator (I forget his name) and offered some artifacts of my own for display. Mostly sheet music of Bill Haley, Elvis and Beatles. So, I loaned them to the HOF for a while and after a few other contacts I was able to submit some essays and reviews (mostly on non-prog music) to them. Some of them got published in their newsletter Liner Notes. Then I wrote an article about prog music and mentioned that groups like KC, Genesis, Yes and ELP are being neglected by the HOF and probably 'cause Jan Wenner and RS has always looked at prog in a negative light and that RS has too much power in the induction process which I found out was true earlier from another writer. Next thing I know I'm blacklisted and that was the end of my rock journalist career. Not that there was much of one in the 1st place. Liner Notes is just a rag anyway. I was only paid $50 a shot! OH WELL! Your inputs please. |
"Most rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." -Zappa
I'm sorry to hear that. The Rolling Stone Magazine is a bunch of crap.
They just don't like hearing the truth...
I've pretty much given up on anything prog getting into the R&RHOF. |
Good one! Believe me that was the 1st quote that went through my head when I got my blacklist notice! The only thing is, I kind of feel sorry for people like Cameron Crowe, a good honest journalists, who gets shafted by the beauracracy of all this BS. That film Almost Famous was right on the money. I give a real kudos to him. He's about the only rock journalist I have any respect for. And he's the exact same age as I am! Talk about getting a head-start! He was 15 on his 1st story. I was still in HS!
It all comes down to that RS wants you to hear what they want you to hear. Not the journalists.
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DolphinFan
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Location: United States
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 21:40 |
"I have no time for Time Magazine or Rolling Stone." - Ian Anderson, Baker St. Muse
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steelyhead
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 22:22 |
That made me real pissed off back in the late 70īs and in the early
80īs to buy music according to the reviews in RS and to be on my own on
progressive and buying some lousy records back in those days because of
the lack of good reviews (remember GTR) so we needed a good magazine
then, now we have this forum
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NetsNJFan
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 12 2005
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 23:28 |
DolphinFan wrote:
"I have no time for Time Magazine or Rolling Stone." - Ian Anderson, Baker St. Muse
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Ian Anderson, always a true insight
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