The American Politics Thread

dr wu23 wrote: I'm certainly not a political expert but I don't understand why people think Trump will easily win in 2020... The only people still supporting him these days is his core base. He's insulted just about everyone else so one would think he has even more people in the general population against him than 2 years ago. And he barely won then...indeed he lost the popular vote and only won due to the Electoral College vote. Last time approx 50% of eligible voters voted and only about 25% for each candidate....one would think he has alienated even more on the left and middle since then. If the Dems can 'get out the vote' he'll lose imho.

Yep!

^ I tell ya my friend..  the more we go.. the deeper we get into this. I do think she is going to win this. Especially since it seems Biden is slipping into his dotage right in front of our eyes.  Best to be done now rather than in a year.  I think when the sh*t gets real as the year ends..  his one real claim to being front runner..  the ability to beat Trump will have pretty much evaporated.   The only way Trump might win a 2nd term is if the Democrats put up a space cadet (Sanders.. who isn't going to get the nomination.. so there's that) or Biden shows his age and declining facilities when everyone is watching.. 

Edited by micky - August 13 2019 at 21:13

micky wrote: ^ I tell ya my friend..  the more we go.. the deeper we get into this. I do think she is going to win this. Especially since it seems Biden is slipping into his dotage right in front of our eyes.  Best to be done now rather than in a year.  I think when the sh*t gets real as the year ends..  his one real claim to being front runner..  the ability to beat Trump will have pretty much evaporated.   The only way Trump might win a 2nd term is if the Democrats put up a space cadet (Sanders.. who isn't going to get the nomination.. so there's that) or Biden shows his age and declining facilities when everyone is watching..  A lot has been made of how his handlers have been presenting him..   in the heat of the campaign. he won't have that luxery to rest and recup between campaign apperances. I foresee a potential disaster if Biden gets the nomination. However I really don't think he is going to.  As we get deeper into this. .and more people pay more attention.. and he continues to slip up and .. well. .show his age. I think we will see his support drop sharply. For they will see what some like me have... he in fact is Trump's best HOPE to win a 2nd term and the Democrats.. no matter how much Biden is liked.. will never take the chance of nominating Sanders.. nor Biden. For Trump might not beat them.. but he could.. and that is way too much of a chance for many Democrats to take. And as I've noted.. Warren is best placed to pick up some sloppy seconds. Unlike Sanders.. she and her policies have a strong appeal to the center. sh*t man..  she got standing O's deep in MAGA country. and hell yeah's from .. of all people.. Tucker Carlson.  Sure the oppo will try to paint her as a socialist..  a raditical leftie .. but she really is far from anything like that..   oh she is radical in a way..  got to be to attempt to change the system of corruption and greed by Corporate America.

Barbu wrote: He will bite the dust in 2020.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - August 13 2019 at 22:38

micky wrote: I get.. I do...  that misogyny exists...  that some simply will not vote for a woman.   But does anyone really think that a) those morons.. neanderthals.. are f**king Democrats hahah.They are largely Republicans. Yet what of those that didn't vote for her.. Democats that didn't.  Democatic voters abandoned HRC not because she was a woman.. for one.. she was a corrupt centrist Corporate Democrat that Bernie voter.. Progressives HATED...  she was simply unlikeable nor inspirational even to many of her supporters (deviant sexual fantasies and admiration of that ass umm hmm aside..). and had 20 years of slime, character attacks and assinations working against her. Oh and it didn't help that many never took Trump seriously and just sat the election out not liking her perhaps but never really thinking that Trump could win.  I really can't believe that this country.. with its history can elect a black man ...  and suspected Muslim hahah.. to be President and not a woman.  I just can't believe that David.. and again.. it really doesn't matter what the morons and neatherthals think.. it is Democrats..  if they get out and vote..  they win.  Simple as that.

The no. 1 news channel in America still has, unless I am mistaken, those translucent glass tables designed to let viewers see the legs of female newscasters wearing short skirts. So much for the crusade against Ailes. And it's not just Fox. Chris Matthews openly flirted with Erin Burnett back when she was in CNBC. This is not normal in many other countries and normalising it has consequences. So, yes, misogyny is a huge barrier to jump over for most female candidates.

That said, the issue is also of Democrats not yet grasping Trump's style or working out a way to counter it. In tennis, there is a term called losing on your own terms. Typically consists of a serve volleyer rushing to his death against a baseliner picking him off over and over. Seems to me as if Democrats are setting themselves up for something like this. Like they are not prepared to get dirty to beat Trump. Trump already has Sleepy Joe and Pocahontas ready for Biden and Warren. What's the counter going to be.

Edited by rogerthat - August 14 2019 at 02:22

Frenetic Zetetic wrote: I still say Trump is going to take 2020.

Why?

Edited by Easy Money - August 14 2019 at 08:04

I can't see him winning without help from Russia. If he had enough supporters to help him getting elected(Russia aside)I'm guessing he has even fewer now(especially if there is any truth to the polls). 

rogerthat wrote: micky wrote: I get.. I do...  that misogyny exists...  that some simply will not vote for a woman.   But does anyone really think that a) those morons.. neanderthals.. are f**king Democrats hahah.They are largely Republicans. Yet what of those that didn't vote for her.. Democats that didn't.  Democatic voters abandoned HRC not because she was a woman.. for one.. she was a corrupt centrist Corporate Democrat that Bernie voter.. Progressives HATED...  she was simply unlikeable nor inspirational even to many of her supporters (deviant sexual fantasies and admiration of that ass umm hmm aside..). and had 20 years of slime, character attacks and assinations working against her. Oh and it didn't help that many never took Trump seriously and just sat the election out not liking her perhaps but never really thinking that Trump could win.  I really can't believe that this country.. with its history can elect a black man ...  and suspected Muslim hahah.. to be President and not a woman.  I just can't believe that David.. and again.. it really doesn't matter what the morons and neatherthals think.. it is Democrats..  if they get out and vote..  they win.  Simple as that. The no. 1 news channel in America still has, unless I am mistaken, those translucent glass tables designed to let viewers see the legs of female newscasters wearing short skirts. So much for the crusade against Ailes. And it's not just Fox. Chris Matthews openly flirted with Erin Burnett back when she was in CNBC. This is not normal in many other countries and normalising it has consequences. So, yes, misogyny is a huge barrier to jump over for most female candidates. That said, the issue is also of Democrats not yet grasping Trump's style or working out a way to counter it. In tennis, there is a term called losing on your own terms. Typically consists of a serve volleyer rushing to his death against a baseliner picking him off over and over. Seems to me as if Democrats are setting themselves up for something like this. Like they are not prepared to get dirty to beat Trump. Trump already has Sleepy Joe and Pocahontas ready for Biden and Warren. What's the counter going to be.

Edited by micky - August 14 2019 at 17:02

and (if it happens) my question is: what are your options, how do you kick him out?