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rogerthat 
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 Posted: July 14 2019 at 19:28 |
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Trump really removed his hood today in a stunning series of tweets... |
He did it back in 2016 when he called a Hispanic (but American born) judge Mexican and accused him of bias. If propriety mattered at all, he wouldn't even have been elected. Obviously, his base shares his feelings or at any rate have enough antipathy towards minorities to not care when Trump asks elected lawmakers to 'go back'.
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:10 |
^ But to go back where? They're mostly US born citizens. I don't understand.
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:18 |
They are. This is why kingofloss made his statement about 45 lowering his hood.
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micky
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Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:26 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ But to go back where? They're mostly US born citizens. I don't understand.
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hahhahah.. you've been outted. Never figured you for a red hatted MAGA .. don't understand fine points like details and facts kind of guy. 
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 14 2019 at 20:29 |
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They are. This is why kingofloss made his statement about 45 lowering his hood. |
In that case Trump should go back to Germany or Slovenia. Oh wait, he's an American born citizen. Never mind.
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 01:36 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ But to go back where? They're mostly US born citizens. I don't understand.
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Same as asking Indian Muslims to go back to Pakistan if they speak up against the Hindu right. Have seen this terrible movie before. Rather, am still living it. I really do hope Americans choose wisely in 2020, otherwise democracy will die, at least temporarily. If it falls in the US, right wing demagogues elsewhere too will be emboldened to grow increasingly authoritarian and breach more red lines.
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 02:30 |
The interesting part is that none of the elected Republican representatives have even said about anything about it...
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 03:26 |
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The interesting part is that none of the elected Republican representatives have even said about anything about it... |
Why would they? Their only job, as that of Trump supporters and conservatives who are bent on voting Republican, is to hold their nose as Trump fills judge vacancies with the children of Clarence. As long as he does that, anything and everything is par for the course be it Trump asking lawmakers to go back to where they came from or ICE holding up American citizens. Sell the country out cuz Federalist Society, basically. Our Prime Minister claims to have used digicam to email photos in the 80s when only a handful of govt bodies in all of India had internet and digicams had barely gone commercial. This being only one of his and his party's gaffes but to hear his supporters, you would think anyone voting for the opposition was a threat to national security rather than somebody who was simply concerned about his fragile republic.
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 07:28 |
It's very disconcerting to wonder, as the election is still a long way away, how far Trump will have to go to keep up the momentum until then. Considering what we're seeing already, it's going to be horrendous.
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 08:45 |
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And now Drumpf is accusing the freshman Congresswomen of being racist themselves. And Communists who hate the USA! I didn't know a senile version of Joe McCarthy was in the White House...
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 09:44 |
npjnpj wrote:
It's very disconcerting to wonder, as the election is still a long way away, how far Trump will have to go to keep up the momentum until then. Considering what we're seeing already, it's going to be horrendous.
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Well, with the Democrats moving left, maybe there will be room for Trump not to say too much crazy stuff to keep his base motivated. But that's also potentially bad news as that could mean voters who stay away from the Democratic Party.
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Posted: July 15 2019 at 12:30 |
rogerthat wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
It's very disconcerting to wonder, as the election is still a long way away, how far Trump will have to go to keep up the momentum until then. Considering what we're seeing already, it's going to be horrendous.
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Well, with the Democrats moving left, maybe there will be room for Trump not to say too much crazy stuff to keep his base motivated. But that's also potentially bad news as that could mean voters who stay away from the Democratic Party. |
I doubt it. He has a track record of being a bigot and I believe his forays into white identity politics will continue.
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Posted: July 16 2019 at 21:42 |
Of course it will.. he thinks it is a winning strategy.. hense the lack of any kind of pivot to appeal to moderates or centrists. His strategy is very obvious and plain and that is what the 2020 campaign is going to be.. nasty and brutal. He thinks his appeal to the bigots.. playing the fears of those who might not exactly be bigots but fear the loss of White America.. and that is what he is going to go down all guns blazing campaigning upon.
There is still a thought among Trump and his ilk that there are still some voters that he might appeal to that for some reason.. really... have NOT got out and voted before and the fool's gold of the Republcian Party over the last decade or so has been an attempt not to appeal to growing ethnic minorities demographs.. but to wring every single white vote that they can. I mean does he realize he got less percentage of teh popular vote than even Romney did and Romney got crushed... he only won because many Democrats did not show.. and enough that did voted 3rd party protest votes in those 3 key states to tip the election to him.
Thus the simple math of the upcoming 2020 election.. if Democrats turn out to vote.. Trump gets crushed..
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 05:46 |
Do you think that after the resolution with 187 republican votes in favor of Trump's (now confirmed) racist tweets the GOP is now the official racist party?
Personally I don't see any other way of interpreting this.
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 06:06 |
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^It goes back much further than that. Take Nixon's "Southern strategy" for example.
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 08:20 |
I'd be curious to know how many like myself there were; generally conservative voters who cast third party protest votes. I'm not sure who the protest votes helped more. It seems to me that a lot more Republicans would be willing to vote against Trump than Democrats would be willing to vote against Clinton.
So it's not just that Democrats need to show up, it's that they need to show up and support their particular candidate, which appears to mean picking someone less unpalatable than Clinton.
Yes, the numbers... and common sense indicate that Trump should get crushed. I caution banking on this for three reasons: 1. Just as Trump has divided the Republican Party, the extreme (by American standards) socialist wing of the Democratic Party is doing much the same there. Just look at the gulf between Pelosi and The Squad, with AOC now declaring the Speaker of the House herself to be racist! If the Democrats go as hard left as the Republicans have gone hard deplorable, they may gain little or nothing. 2. The conventional wisdom last time was that Trump had no chance. I know... that was then and this is now and many variables have changed. But if we missed the mark so badly last time, what's to say we're not overlooking something now? 3. If the economy is still perceived to be doing well at election time, a lot of their folks will be happy to vote Trump and many more will hold their nose and vote for Trump. Most people have little to no understanding of how the economy works, much less what a sitting president may or may not have done to contribute to its success or failure. The fact is that a huge number of folks vote based on the economy, whether the President actually had anything to do with it or not.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 08:22 |
micky wrote:
Of course it will.. he thinks it is a winning strategy.. hense the lack of any kind of pivot to appeal to moderates or centrists. His strategy is very obvious and plain and that is what the 2020 campaign is going to be.. nasty and brutal. He thinks his appeal to the bigots.. playing the fears of those who might not exactly be bigots but fear the loss of White America.. and that is what he is going to go down all guns blazing campaigning upon.
There is still a thought among Trump and his ilk that there are still some voters that he might appeal to that for some reason.. really... have NOT got out and voted before and the fool's gold of the Republcian Party over the last decade or so has been an attempt not to appeal to growing ethnic minorities demographs.. but to wring every single white vote that they can. I mean does he realize he got less percentage of teh popular vote than even Romney did and Romney got crushed... he only won because many Democrats did not show.. and enough that did voted 3rd party protest votes in those 3 key states to tip the election to him.
Thus the simple math of the upcoming 2020 election.. if Democrats turn out to vote.. Trump gets crushed..
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Yes and No. Yes, Trump thinks it's a winning strategy, but No, it's not for the bigotry reason you think it is.
Less than 2 weeks ago, AOC accused Pelosi of racism.* Right? Remember? That accusation, among other radical actions had Pelosi and the Middle of the Road Dems distancing themselves from the 4 freshwomen reps. That goes against Trump's wishes. Trump desires the Dems to protect the 4 fresh-women and circle the wagons around AOC and her friends. Trump's tweet got his way! Trump manipulated Pelosi and the Dems into protecting the freshwomen 4. Trump wants the Dems to walk into 2020, with the Freshmen-4-Women as the FACE of the DEMOCRAT PARTY. Trump want's the policies of the fresh-women 4 to be at the forefront of Dem politics. Policies such as Green New Deal, Reparations, Free College and Healthcare for Illegals, Funds for transsexual abortions.
AOC has a 22% approval rating among Swing Voters, while llhan Omar has a 9% approval among swing voters. The same Omar who claimed on 9-11, " Someone did something." I agree with your point, If all the Democrat voters vote in 2020 than the Dems will win. But the Dems have a huge problem. The socialist far Left won't be satisfied with an old white guy like Biden. If Biden is the nominee, the radical left will stay home in droves. On the other hand, if Trump can hang the AOC- Albatross around the neck of a Democrat nominee like Warren, Sanders, or Harris, than many middle-of-the-road Dems will vote Trump or stay home.
Meanwhile, Trump will run on a platform of: Greatest economy in 60 years and No New Wars. A bunch of folks are scared to say positive stuff about Trump, because they're afraid of getting dog piled by peer groups, however those folks will see "more money" in their wallets and vote secretly for Trump.
* AOC quote on Pelosi- "But the persistent singling out...it got to a point where it just outright disrespectful...the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color."
Edited by omphaloskepsis - July 17 2019 at 08:56
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 08:54 |
Fischman wrote:
I'd be curious to know how many like myself there were; generally conservative voters who cast third party protest votes. I'm not sure who the protest votes helped more. It seems to me that a lot more Republicans would be willing to vote against Trump than Democrats would be willing to vote against Clinton.
So it's not just that Democrats need to show up, it's that they need to show up and support their particular candidate, which appears to mean picking someone less unpalatable than Clinton.
Yes, the numbers... and common sense indicate that Trump should get crushed. I caution banking on this for three reasons: 1. Just as Trump has divided the Republican Party, the extreme (by American standards) socialist wing of the Democratic Party is doing much the same there. Just look at the gulf between Pelosi and The Squad, with AOC now declaring the Speaker of the House herself to be racist! If the Democrats go as hard left as the Republicans have gone hard deplorable, they may gain little or nothing. 2. The conventional wisdom last time was that Trump had no chance. I know... that was then and this is now and many variables have changed. But if we missed the mark so badly last time, what's to say we're not overlooking something now? 3. If the economy is still perceived to be doing well at election time, a lot of their folks will be happy to vote Trump and many more will hold their nose and vote for Trump. Most people have little to no understanding of how the economy works, much less what a sitting president may or may not have done to contribute to its success or failure. The fact is that a huge number of folks vote based on the economy, whether the President actually had anything to do with it or not. |
You probably noticed this was that the economy is growing, but almost all of the growth is either towards the 1% or just down-right fake. Trump has primed the pump by cutting taxes and by increasing spending. The last time the GOP did this, it led to a massive recession. I'm betting that it'll happen again...
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rogerthat
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 09:34 |
Fischman wrote:
I'd be curious to know how many like myself there were; generally conservative voters who cast third party protest votes. I'm not sure who the protest votes helped more. It seems to me that a lot more Republicans would be willing to vote against Trump than Democrats would be willing to vote against Clinton.
So it's not just that Democrats need to show up, it's that they need to show up and support their particular candidate, which appears to mean picking someone less unpalatable than Clinton.
Yes, the numbers... and common sense indicate that Trump should get crushed. I caution banking on this for three reasons: 1. Just as Trump has divided the Republican Party, the extreme (by American standards) socialist wing of the Democratic Party is doing much the same there. Just look at the gulf between Pelosi and The Squad, with AOC now declaring the Speaker of the House herself to be racist! If the Democrats go as hard left as the Republicans have gone hard deplorable, they may gain little or nothing. 2. The conventional wisdom last time was that Trump had no chance. I know... that was then and this is now and many variables have changed. But if we missed the mark so badly last time, what's to say we're not overlooking something now? 3. If the economy is still perceived to be doing well at election time, a lot of their folks will be happy to vote Trump and many more will hold their nose and vote for Trump. Most people have little to no understanding of how the economy works, much less what a sitting president may or may not have done to contribute to its success or failure. The fact is that a huge number of folks vote based on the economy, whether the President actually had anything to do with it or not. |
Yes, I do find this race baiting to be tiresome. And extremely disingenuous. Sorry, Pelosi and AOC's disagreements are ideological. For any of the squad to suggest they are being asked to be quiet ONLY because they are POCs is...idk comes across as pretty dumb and disconnected from the current political situation. But it gets better...
I quote: "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has told Representatives Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna S. Pressley of Massachusetts, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York to get in line to be a Democrat, in the way I’m told by moderates away from Capitol Hill to get in line to be an American. I hear the moderate message of compliance, of assimilation, of being happy just dining. And I hear the message from the man with the blood-red hat defending the moderate and giving me an ultimatum."
And further:
"Colonization emerged as the most popular solvent of the race problem before the Civil War, advocated by nearly every president from Jefferson to Abraham Lincoln. Slaveholders increasingly desired to rid the nation of the emancipated Negro. And moderate Americans increasingly advocated gradual emancipation and colonization, telling the anti-racists that immediate emancipation was impractical and impossible in the way that anti-racists are told immediate equality is impractical and impossible today."
No, this is a false equivalence. Pelosi has in fact risked political capital to call out Trump's racism via a House resolution. The suggestion that she is asking the squad to grin and bear with the racism dished out by Trump is not very honest. And not very helpful. It would be one thing for Kendi to go after Biden proudly supporting his rapport with segregationists. But Pelosi is not a moderate. She is a San Francisco liberal. It is a victory for the squad that they have succeeded in painting her as some ambivalent, pussy footing moderate. And also a victory, unfortunately, for Trump. I highlighted this danger long before the Democratic Primaries. The party needs to carry Midwest and battleground states like Virginia or Florida to win in 2020, not New York and California which they will win anyway. Ergo, NY and Cal should not be setting the agenda for the Primaries. Unfortunately, that is exactly what they are doing. As long as it's not McGovern-Nixon...
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Posted: July 17 2019 at 15:22 |
Like I said, Pelosi was in process of distancing "herself and moderate Dems" from AOC and her socialist tribe when Trump's tweets confounded Democrats and forced Pelosi to back AOC and her tribe....
"Action on a House resolution condemning President Donald Trump's controversial tweets ground to a halt on Tuesday after Republicans objected to Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling the posts "racist" during a floor speech.
Pelosi's words were ruled out of order under House rules — a president may not be called racist — but Democrats prepared to use their majority status to override GOP objections to change the rules.
The hour-plus long drama over Pelosi's comments showed just how tense the mood is in the House as the two sides battled over Trump and his racist tweets from this weekend targeting four progressive Democratic freshman.
No speaker has had their words "taken down," as it is referred to, in 35 years, and even challenging a speaker's comments is considered a serious breach of etiquette. Rep. Emmanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, didn't want to be part of the fight, and decided to "abandon the chair," a shocking move that left the speaker's chair empty for a moment.
As Cleaver stormed off the floor, several Democratic members could be heard gasping. Others turned to each other with confused looks."
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/16/pelosi-trump-racism-resolution-1417365
Edited by omphaloskepsis - July 17 2019 at 15:38
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