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    Posted: July 14 2019 at 14:12
What the hell, probably get no traffic but I'm posting it anyway!!



Utterly utterly bizarre victory, England needed 15 off the last over, got 4 overthrows when Stokes was hit by the ball trying to make his ground on a second run and the ricochet went to the boundary. Tied 241 all after 50 overs so goes to a sudden death 1 over for each team. Both teams score 15 in the over so its still tied. England win based on more boundaries during the match.

Wonderful stuff. Feel very sorry for the Kiwis.

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Brilliant game of cricket, thoroughly enjoyed every ball, but damned nervous at the death
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one of my all time favorites :



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I've never been a massive cricket fan but that was the most nerve-racking sporting final I've ever seen (apart from the 1988 Wimbledon v Liverpool Cup Final).
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

England needed 15 off the last over, got 4 overthrows when Stokes was hit by the ball trying to make his ground on a second run and the ricochet went to the boundary.
 
A colleague tells me they should only have had 5 runs from that overthrow (4 + 1) as they hadn't crossed for the second run when the NZ player threw the ball that hit Stokes' bat. Apparently the runs count from the moment the player throws the ball (so he says anyway).
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Lots of stuff on the internet about it and it depends if you think the "act" was throwing the ball or it hitting Stokes, consensus seems to be it should have been 5 not 6.
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Amazing match!  Loved every minute of it, and it's certainly the best cricket match I have ever seen.  It could even be the greatest contest in sport period, as I'm struggling to think of a better one for sheer drama and craziness.
 
Superb, and great for English cricket, which, as an avid cricket fan, makes me very happy indeed!
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 Was the umpire Russian/Azerbaijani? Wink
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif;">England needed 15 off the last over, got 4 overthrows when Stokes was hit by the ball trying to make his ground on a second run and the ricochet went to the boundary. </span>

 
A colleague tells me they should only have had 5 runs from that overthrow (4 + 1) as they hadn't crossed for the second run when the NZ player threw the ball that hit Stokes' bat. Apparently the runs count from the moment the player throws the ball (so he says anyway).


There was an article about it in the paper this morning. The laws state that at the precise time the ball is thrown by the fielder, the batsman had to have crossed when taking the run. Apparently, they had not, so it should have been five runs. Difficult in the heat of the moment, but I believe the best side overall in the tournament won, although I would say that, wouldn't I?
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif;">England needed 15 off the last over, got 4 overthrows when Stokes was hit by the ball trying to make his ground on a second run and the ricochet went to the boundary. </span>

 
A colleague tells me they should only have had 5 runs from that overthrow (4 + 1) as they hadn't crossed for the second run when the NZ player threw the ball that hit Stokes' bat. Apparently the runs count from the moment the player throws the ball (so he says anyway).


There was an article about it in the paper this morning. The laws state that at the precise time the ball is thrown by the fielder, the batsman had to have crossed when taking the run. Apparently, they had not, so it should have been five runs. Difficult in the heat of the moment, but I believe the best side overall in the tournament won, although I would say that, wouldn't I?
 
 
Well, there is actually some ambiguity about it.
 
The law actually says:
 
Law 19.8 - overthrow or wilful act of fielder:

If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be:

  • any runs for penalties awarded to either side;
  • the allowance for the boundary; and
  • the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act.

So, is the relevant event the "throw" or the "act"?

If it's the throw then it should have been 5 runs not 6
 
But the "act" could be the act of the ball hitting Stokes' bat, in which case the runs were correctly awarded as 6.
 
Ultimately the Laws are interpreted by the umpires on the field, and they deemed that 6 runs were scored in accordance with their interpretation of the Laws.
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I tend to read it that way as it was a good throw until it hit Stokes, that would be when it became overthrows, but then I'm English.
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The ball hitting Stokes' bat was not an act  i.e. not deliberate. If you are crowned world champions by virtue of an obscure gaming law (subsection 19.8 a.k.a. the 'is there a hyphen in anal retentive?' clause) then the enthusiasm for Brexit on the other side of the channel will surely not come as a complete surprise. But then, i'm Scottish and we suck at everything (apart from schadenfreude)


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That's what obscure rules are for isn't it? Give all those looking to justify an argument to pore over.
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Beats winning by skill alone for sure
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chaser Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2019 at 08:17
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

The ball hitting Stokes' bat was not an act  i.e. not deliberate. If you are crowned world champions by virtue of an obscure gaming law (subsection 19.8 a.k.a. the 'is there a hyphen in anal retentive?' clause) then the enthusiasm for Brexit on the other side of the channel will surely not come as a complete surprise. But then, i'm Scottish and we suck at everything (apart from schadenfreude)



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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Beats winning by skill alone for sure

We are talking England right? They are meant to torture their fans! Skill alone? You gotta be kidding me! LOL

Winning lucky has the added bonus of torturing all those who hate England teams. Basically everyone else.

In fact I think I'll watch the highlights again Tongue


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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

The ball hitting Stokes' bat was not an act  i.e. not deliberate. If you are crowned world champions by virtue of an obscure gaming law (subsection 19.8 a.k.a. the 'is there a hyphen in anal retentive?' clause) then the enthusiasm for Brexit on the other side of the channel will surely not come as a complete surprise. But then, i'm Scottish and we suck at everything (apart from schadenfreude)



Apparently Scotland is leading the world in deaths from drug abuse, so at least you're winning at something


At the very least that's deliberate and the victims are spared the badinage of yet another English theater ponce
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Beats winning by skill alone for sure

We are talking England right? They are meant to torture their fans! Skill alone? You gotta be kidding me! LOL

Winning lucky has the added bonus of torturing all those who hate England teams. Basically everyone else.

In fact I think I'll watch the highlights again Tongue


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ahh.. cricket.. the sporting equivalent of mandarin chinese..   completely lost on me. It should be a simple game..  you hit the ball.. you catch the ball hahah

But looks fun enough..
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

ahh.. cricket.. the sporting equivalent of mandarin chinese..   completely lost on me. It should be a simple game..  you hit the ball.. you catch the ball hahah

But looks fun enough..
 
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