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Well ... it's no wonder we like chatting with each other in this forum. Well, at least I know I like chatting with you folks. I know I'm a bit boneheaded sometimes.

I think the version of Pleasure Principle I have includes a lot of tracks from both of those albums. It's like a huge extended version. And, yes. Friends Are Electric!

Just finished the series ... The Good Life (Good Neighbors). That's a fave of mine. There are others (IT Crowd), but some I like can be bitingly sarcastic in the extreme.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for posting it. My son has Aspergers and has some of the traits mentioned e.g. clumsiness, the handwriting and the social skills, however he is extremely clever having just finished a Masters in Physics with Space Science.

Certainly; having AS doesn't make you stupid at all. In fact many people with AS are highly intelligent, including Jean and me. We are just oddballs, especially when it comes down to social skills.


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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for posting it. My son has Aspergers and has some of the traits mentioned e.g. clumsiness, the handwriting and the social skills, however he is extremely clever having just finished a Masters in Physics with Space Science.

Certainly; having AS doesn't make you stupid at all. In fact many people with AS are highly intelligent, including Jean and me. We are just oddballs, especially when it comes down to social skills.
 

Lots of my clients with ADHD told me that they often felt like black sheep, from an early age, it's so important not to think that this is true, it's just that other people didn't have the patience, knowledge or values to treat you with respect.
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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Well ... it's no wonder we like chatting with each other in this forum. Well, at least I know I like chatting with you folks. I know I'm a bit boneheaded sometimes.

I think the version of Pleasure Principle I have includes a lot of tracks from both of those albums. It's like a huge extended version. And, yes. Friends Are Electric!

Just finished the series ... The Good Life (Good Neighbors). That's a fave of mine. There are others (IT Crowd), but some I like can be bitingly sarcastic in the extreme.


I don't think you've been boneheaded, you bring up interesting notions. I always value people who cause me to think about things deeply, and you've done that.

Replicas and I Robot by Alan Parsons Project were the first two albums as a kid that I can remember falling for. They really connected with me.

As for British comedies, I love lots of the classics and more modern ones. Sometimes I go for the dark comedy ones: Peep Show, The League of Gentlemen, Brass Eye, Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, Inside No. 9 if it counts, Nathan Barley, Psychoville, Snuff Box, Toast of London, Misfits if it counts, Extras, The Thick of It, Look Around You, and People Like Us are some of my more modern favourities. Amongst the older ones, I love Yes Minister, and Yes PM, Allo Allo, and Black Adder, and The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin.

I've definitely enjoyed The Good Life and IT Crowd ("I'm disabled" too).

I did little poll/ topic on British comedies of the last 20 or so years a few years ago: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=107721&
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Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Interesting article, thanks for posting it. My son has Aspergers and has some of the traits mentioned e.g. clumsiness, the handwriting and the social skills, however he is extremely clever having just finished a Masters in Physics with Space Science.

Certainly; having AS doesn't make you stupid at all. In fact many people with AS are highly intelligent, including Jean and me. We are just oddballs, especially when it comes down to social skills.
 

Lots of my clients with ADHD told me that they often felt like black sheep, from an early age, it's so important not to think that this is true, it's just that other people didn't have the patience, knowledge or values to treat you with respect.

It was a good thing my doctor recommended I should practice yoga; it certainly helped getting my ADHD under control. I still am at times a bit fidgety, but my yoga quickly calms me down.

I am not worried because of having the Asperger syndrome. It is how it is, and I accept my weaknesses. And fortunately my kids and my friends understand me and my problems, even though I sometimes don't understand them (my friends and my kids), at least not emotionally. And this helps me a lot to overcome these problems.


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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

Well ... it's no wonder we like chatting with each other in this forum. Well, at least I know I like chatting with you folks. I know I'm a bit boneheaded sometimes.

I think the version of Pleasure Principle I have includes a lot of tracks from both of those albums. It's like a huge extended version. And, yes. Friends Are Electric!

Just finished the series ... The Good Life (Good Neighbors). That's a fave of mine. There are others (IT Crowd), but some I like can be bitingly sarcastic in the extreme.


I don't think you've been boneheaded, you bring up interesting notions. I always value people who cause me to think about things deeply, and you've done that.

Replicas and I Robot by Alan Parsons Project were the first two albums as a kid that I can remember falling for. They really connected with me.

As for British comedies, I love lots of the classics and more modern ones. Sometimes I go for the dark comedy ones: Peep Show, The League of Gentlemen, Brass Eye, Garth Marenghi's Darkplace, Inside No. 9 if it counts, Nathan Barley, Psychoville, Snuff Box, Toast of London, Misfits if it counts, Extras, The Thick of It, Look Around You, and People Like Us are some of my more modern favourities. Amongst the older ones, I love Yes Minister, and Yes PM, Allo Allo, and Black Adder, and The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin.

I've definitely enjoyed The Good Life and IT Crowd ("I'm disabled" too).

I did little poll/ topic on British comedies of the last 20 or so years a few years ago: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=107721&


Thanks and ditto! My fave is when Jenn is faking Italian! :-)

I will definitely check out some of the higher polling ones. Wonderful!
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Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL
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Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL

I guess he is like Dieter "Didi" Hallervorden in Germany, a very successful comedian in Germany who usually leaves me completely cold. Friede says there was a time when he was good, but then he resorted to grimacing


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I spend all day inside my head. All I care about is art, but I'm always struggling insomnia, anxiety, headaches, and I'm one of those who refuse to see a doctor (I can't stand a lot of things, especially the useless system) and just handle things my own way; only worried about immediate consequences.

I don't use abbreviations or acronyms for one, because I don't think its the same, and probably more misinterpreted as opposed to just giving examples, or at least a few characteristics. But even then, to say a person is "arrogant". It can't be 100% of the time, and people can change within minutes and over time. People are different depending on who is around, or if there's a second person around. I think I also don't use the terms because people like to give you a grocery chart of categorizations.

I've gone from two extremes when it comes to social skills. From 22 to 31, I was backpacking off and on, for many reasons. To have something to write about, to have a better sample size to understand, artistic reasons/hopes, but I got burnt out for many reasons. In the last couple of years, I've found that I would rather avoid people. People get stuck in my head, replaying past conversations, creating future ones - its a mess upstairs. I only love music, movies, and comedy (and 99% of that was made before I was born) and try to fill my soul with nutrition. But even then, I get music stuck in my head and it drives me crazy. And I take all the substances I can to help alleviate some of them.

I'm basically inside my tiny rented house 99% of the time, and the only time I leave is to go to my grocery market to get food and pills (nothing that starts with an 'anti' though). I stopped going to concerts 4 years ago (I do think its poetic that the last band was AMERICA) because of all those f**king phones, and bitches trying to sell beer during a band that plays acoustic-rock. I just think "I hate people and I never want to meet one again. The interesting ones are probably locked in their house, too, and I don't ever want to be betrayed" so I'm a hermit.

If I read what I typed a week from now if I'm rested, I might have responded differently, and I'm always looking to not necessarily quantify the disparity, but to wonder what influences things, personally, and then from proximity to the masses.... I could be more harsh and type for another hour in detail, but I have respect for the people on here, and I don't even want to ruin that. I know there's more than just text, but these damn screens depersonalize humanity, including our music (auto-tune? drum machine? And it seems like I'm the only one yelling about this, because no one wants to be socially ostracized)

I spend a lot of time on many different message boards, and although I spend little time on here, I am probably most free because I think "They'll understand - they're progressive."


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

this is incredibly funny for me:
the translation is sometimes a bit faulty and could be better

No translation necessary, that is hilarious.   To be honest, having visited Germany I didn't think Germans were interested in or even capable of such funny stuff.   Goes to show the ignorance we all still have about each other.

I'm sure you know this, also very funny but in a different way and at the expense of German people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGqJN1kAWwU




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Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL
 

Indeed, generally spoken. Some of his earlier parodies were rather funny, but from the late seventies onwards most of his output was fit for the feeble-minded.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL
 

Indeed, generally spoken. Some of his earlier parodies were rather funny, but from the late seventies onwards most of his output was fit for the feeble-minded.
 

Yes, that is also in the case of German 'comedian' Ingrid Steeger, as a 13-14 year old kid I watched the German tv in The Netherlands, and was pleased with her sexy presence, although it was fun like Dutch Andre Van Duin, for the feeble-minded, nice term!


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Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL
 

Indeed, generally spoken. Some of his earlier parodies were rather funny, but from the late seventies onwards most of his output was fit for the feeble-minded.
 

Yes, that is also in the case of German 'comedian' Ingrid Steeger, as a 13-14 year old kid I watched the German tv in The Netherlands, and was pleased with her sexy presence, although it was fun like Dutch Andre Van Duin, for the feeble-minded, nice term!

Well, Ingrid Steeger was part of the legendary comedy series "Klimbim", and while some of it was bad to mediocre there were also highlights, especially the Klimbim family with Ingrid Steeger being the precocious 14-year old girl Gabi with tooth gap and Elisabeth Volkmann the mother. And the two women certainly brought an element of sexiness into the series.


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It's not my habit to post twice, but exceptions conform the rule. I'll be a bit more personal for the occasion, even at the risk of directing it to some wrong eyes:

This article was a nice read, and I can recognize quite a few things: the problems with social interaction, learning by rote, difficulties with understanding body language, clumsiness, a prodigious memory. 

After a youth spent as a study object for shrinks who have beaten about the bush for years, starting with Hans Keilson (who had his hour of fame long afterwards, as a centennial) in my kindergarten years, I was diagnosed with Asperger at age 48 in the fall of 2007.

When a friend of mine, of my generation, was diagnosed with Asperger in 2006, I felt an itch to read something about it, so I looked it up at Wikipedia and I found a match (85-100%) with my own condition. When I told this to him, he said that he already thought I was an Aspie as well. We have a few idiosyncracies in common. Four months later, another friend of ours, who works in the mental health care, suggested I should have myself tested on Asperger. At first I was reluctant, but after a few months, my wife had convinced me that this should be the right thing to do. I never regretted this, since it had a profound positive influence on my marriage, so I take it for granted that I am "the Beaver Autistic" for my daughter Smile.

Edit… I got ninja'd twice while composing this post LOL.

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Well, Ingrid Steeger was part of the legendary comedy series "Klimbim", and while some of it was bad to mediocre there were also highlights, especially the Klimbim family with Ingrid Steeger being the precocious 14-year old girl Gabi with tooth gap and Elisabeth Volkmann the mother. And the two women certainly brought an element of sexiness into the series.

Klimbim… I remember the name, but the only other thing I remember from this series was some sexiness. My old folks watched some German telly now and then.


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It's not my habit to post twice, but exceptions conform the rule. I'll be a bit more personal for the occasion, even at the risk of directing it to some wrong eyes:

This article was a nice read, and I can recognize quite a few things: the problems with social interaction, learning by rote, difficulties with understanding body language, clumsiness, a prodigious memory. 

After a youth spent as a study object for shrinks who have beaten about the bush for years, starting with the Hans Keilson (who had his hour of fame long afterwards, as a centennial) in my kindergarten years, I was diagnosed with Asperger at age 48 in the fall of 2007.

When a friend of mine, of my generation, was diagnosed with Asperger in 2006, I felt an itch to read something about it, so I looked it up at Wikipedia and I found a match (85-100%) with my own condition. When I told this to him, he said that he already thought I was an Aspie as well. We have a few idiosyncracies in common. Four months later, another friend of ours, who works in the mental health care, suggested I should have myself tested on Asperger. At first I was reluctant, but after a few months, my wife had convinced me that this should be the right thing to do. I never regretted this, since it had a profound positive influence on my marriage, so I take it for granted that I am "the Beaver Autistic" for my daughter Smile.

Edit… I got ninja'd twice while composing this post LOL.

We Aspies definitely have a knack of recognizing each other.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

It's not my habit to post twice, but exceptions conform the rule. I'll be a bit more personal for the occasion, even at the risk of directing it to some wrong eyes:

This article was a nice read, and I can recognize quite a few things: the problems with social interaction, learning by rote, difficulties with understanding body language, clumsiness, a prodigious memory. 

After a youth spent as a study object for shrinks who have beaten about the bush for years, starting with the Hans Keilson (who had his hour of fame long afterwards, as a centennial) in my kindergarten years, I was diagnosed with Asperger at age 48 in the fall of 2007.

When a friend of mine, of my generation, was diagnosed with Asperger in 2006, I felt an itch to read something about it, so I looked it up at Wikipedia and I found a match (85-100%) with my own condition. When I told this to him, he said that he already thought I was an Aspie as well. We have a few idiosyncracies in common. Four months later, another friend of ours, who works in the mental health care, suggested I should have myself tested on Asperger. At first I was reluctant, but after a few months, my wife had convinced me that this should be the right thing to do. I never regretted this, since it had a profound positive influence on my marriage, so I take it for granted that I am "the Beaver Autistic" for my daughter Smile.

Edit… I got ninja'd twice while composing this post LOL.

We Aspies definitely have a knack of recognizing each other.
 

Exactly. I feel the same way Smile.


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some movies have characters with the Asperger syndrome, though this is usually not explicitly mentioned. for example: in the movie "The Fisher King" the character Lydia Sinclair (played by Amanda Plummer) definitely has the Asperger syndrome


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

some movies have characters with the Asperger syndrome, though this is usually not explicitly mentioned. for example: in the movie "The Fisher King" the character Lydia Sinclair (played by Amanda Plummer) definitely has the Asperger syndrome
 

And how about Rainman? I consider it as a good movie to know more about autism, but a kind of 'Hollywood autism person', too many symptoms from different spectra of autism blended into one person with autism. Historical is the situation with the traffic light!
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by TenYearsAfter TenYearsAfter wrote:

Excellent
example, you made yourself clear, I love the word 'sugarcoatings'. In
the Netherlands we have famous comedian Andre Van Duin, the same as with
Louis De Funes, a wide range of facial expressions, perhaps you have
heard of him?

sorry, Friede and I are not familiar with Andre Van Duin
 

You are Lucky LOL
 

Indeed,
generally spoken. Some of his earlier parodies were rather funny, but
from the late seventies onwards most of his output was fit for the
feeble-minded.
 

Yes, that is
also in the case of German 'comedian' Ingrid Steeger, as a 13-14 year
old kid I watched the German tv in The Netherlands, and was pleased with
her sexy presence, although it was fun like Dutch Andre Van Duin, for
the feeble-minded, nice term!


Well, Ingrid Steeger was part of the legendary
comedy series "Klimbim", and while some of it was bad to mediocre there
were also highlights, especially the Klimbim family with Ingrid Steeger
being the precocious 14-year old girl Gabi with tooth gap and Elisabeth Volkmann the mother. And the two women certainly brought an element of sexiness into the
series.
I Like Whats Eatinh Gilbert Grape to be as good and endearing. From its beinh more about growinh up and the chaos of fitting in a socieyy with all what revolvs around small soicieties. One of Depps best movies.
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