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    Posted: June 22 2019 at 11:33
Wolfgang wrote the Magic Flute, Die Zauberflöte, or Shakespears Midsummer Nights Dream, the Tempest. 

Two fellows that were in mystical clubs Rosen kreutz and Freemason. whom were the masters of their crafts, as much legend and myth as persons. Icons with chocolates named after them.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2019 at 11:40
It is actually "Die Zauberflöte", not "Das".

Of these two definitely Shakespeare. However, had you had paired him against Johann Sebastian Bach, who also was a Freemason, it would have been a much more difficult decision.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2019 at 11:40
I am after more discussions than voting but i also want som nerdy comparisons between the two, if only accidental comparable traits.
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pizza vs. ice cream
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2019 at 23:54
Pizza, or not pizza, that is the question.

Definitely Shakespeare, he is so eminently quotable, and I played Hamlet for a production of Haunted House Hamlet.

I liked to relay, in a strictly joking manner, the fanciful story that playing Hamlet was a most embarrassing experience. Because my codpiece was made out of real cod, it fell off during an important part when it expired Blowfish or suckerfish might have been preferable had I been able to water them properly.

As for Mozart, I do love his Requiem in D minor.

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Fun Fact- The word Honorificabilitudintatibus, which appears in Love's Labor Lost translates into "the state of being able to achieve honors.  But that's not all.  Honorificabilitudinitatibus can be scrambled into an anagram- hi lude, F. Baconis nati, tuiti orbi, which is Latin for "these plays, F. Bacon's offspring, are preserved for the world".

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote YESESIS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 09:21
I really like Mozart's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik 2 Romanze - Andante.

This thread is making me want to read some Shakespeare while listening to Mozart. :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NotAProghead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 10:34
Like Ringo said: "I love Beethoven Mozart, especially his poems."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 13:53
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Fun Fact- The word Honorificabilitudintatibus, which appears in Love's Labor Lost translates into "the state of being able to achieve honors.  But that's not all.  Honorificabilitudinitatibus can be scrambled into an anagram- hi lude, F. Baconis nati, tuiti orbi, which is Latin for "these plays, F. Bacon's offspring, are preserved for the world".

The moon's an arrant thief , And her pale fire she snatches from the sun. Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.

If my Latin doesn't fail me, it would have to be "hic ludi", so this can't be right.


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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Fun Fact- The word Honorificabilitudintatibus, which appears in Love's Labor Lost translates into "the state of being able to achieve honors.  But that's not all.  Honorificabilitudinitatibus can be scrambled into an anagram- hi lude, F. Baconis nati, tuiti orbi, which is Latin for "these plays, F. Bacon's offspring, are preserved for the world".

The moon's an arrant thief , And her pale fire she snatches from the sun. Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.

If my Latin doesn't fail me, it would have to be "hic ludi", so this can't be right.

The Latin masculine pural "hī" would require hī ludi (for these plays -- "lude" or "ludus" being singular)I'm not certain a Latin scholar like Bacon would make such a fundamental mistake. "Hic" would be singular masculine. Even so "hic lude" would mean "this play", not "these plays". In any case, it would render the whole sentence grammatically incorrect -- hard to believe from a Latin grammarian who published his scientific work in Latin.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote BaldFriede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 15:51
You are right; my memory was faulty about the declension of "hic haec hoc". But right about the declension of "ludus". So this explanation is faulty.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 17:37
Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

pizza vs. ice cream

I was thinking apples and oranges but this is more unique. 

Anyway, I'm not very familiar with Shakespear unfortunately so I can't really say which I prefer. This is sort of like comparing monkeys with zebras though. Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote omphaloskepsis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2019 at 21:54
I misspelled the anagram. It's ludi not lude.  One lude too many.    A brief word history and anagram explanation in the link below.   

http://wordsmith.org/words/honorificabilitudinity.html




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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

pizza vs. ice cream


I was thinking apples and oranges but this is more unique. 
Anyway, I'm not very familiar with Shakespear unfortunately so I can't really say which I prefer. This is sort of like comparing monkeys with zebras though.
Or like monkeys comparing apples with zebras
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by patrickq patrickq wrote:

pizza vs. ice cream


I was thinking apples and oranges but this is more unique. 

Anyway, I'm not very familiar with Shakespear unfortunately so I can't really say which I prefer. This is sort of like comparing monkeys with zebras though. Wink

but i feel their is a slight mysticaø similarities with the Magic Flute abd Midsummer Nights Dream, like it shares a germanic folkloric aura to them and that fantasy theme.
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Shakespeare, because he didn't exist.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2019 at 14:55
Love me some Mozart but voted Will......

btw....anyone here into the whole , 'who was Shakespear  mystery?'
I've read a few books over the years and I find the whole thing very interesting but not convinced he was just a cover name for someone else....but yet ...there are some peculiar things about the whole tale.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Love me some Mozart but voted Will......

btw....anyone here into the whole , 'who was Shakespear  mystery?'
I've read a few books over the years and I find the whole thing very interesting but not convinced he was just a cover name for someone else....but yet ...there are some peculiar things about the whole tale.
 


To be or not to be Shakespeare.  Is that an important question? I can't tell what the dickens his name was.   All's well that ends well, after all...  

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As a writer, possibly Shakespear is better but... I'm not a fan of his.

Instead, I love Mozart, expecially his Requiem, so... Mozart.

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