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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37107 |
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Some pots and pans-heads love spatulas (in the US, an implement used in cooking). It hasn't brought down the rating and it is not intended to do so. If one were to assume that such a silly review were written with serious intent, it would be underrating the album as it is fallacious/ erroneous. No cheap diner spatula was used to percussive disco intent in that album, the alleged spatula was in actuality quite an expensive electro-mechanical, polyphonic spatula -- the Spatulatron*. While not my favourite King Crimson album -- I tend to favour Lizard) --, I like In the Court of the Crimson King, and that review only exists in this thread. For those who haven't read through the posts here, like I said "I wrote it with some humorous intent to illustrate how I use the term underrated". *Incidentally, the Spatulatron was most famously employed at John Lennon's "Strawberry Pancakes Forever" breakfast restaurant in Brooklyn and had also been utilised by The Moody Blues line-cook in "Fillets of Future Passed". |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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What is the point of a spoof review of a classic? Unless an attempt by the pan-heads to bring down the average rating of an album they do not like?
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15139 |
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This is hilarious, very philosophical and dada and gaga at the same time, and I don't think it contains any serious rating whatsoever.
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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The pan-heads do spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging classic symphonic progressive rock....I blame the parent's...
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Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21290 |
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Nice band, got a couple of their albums, Lynette's art is great.
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37107 |
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If underrated at PA is synonymous with being one of the most ridiculed bands in PA, then I agree with Nightwish. ----------------------------------------------------- EDIT: By the way, that In the Court of the Crimson King review might be a troll, but then that troll is me. I wrote it with some humorous intent to illustrate how I use the term underrated. An individual or a group can underrate or overrate something, and I often discern that when false or dubious claims are made and specious arguments are used as justification. Edited by Logan - June 04 2019 at 16:19 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45587 |
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Maybe because most people don't find them to be progressive metal. That's why I mentioned the other two metal subgenres, they make more sense to me describing their music. |
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12351 |
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^check out: Sensations Fix Portable Madness for some more kinda space rockin' progressive electronics (the remastered version sound great) |
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Machinemessiah ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 02 2005 Location: Santiago, Chile Status: Offline Points: 594 |
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Hey thank you guys! this entry is already delivering for me ![]() I don't want to go too much off-topic, but I've been searching for a long time here on PA for the best "electronic" band to my liking, being a neofite at this genre; Tangerine Dream not being quite there for me with its long soundscapes; I was looking something more on the lines of Gong - A Sprinkling of Clouds from You album (by the way, what a great keyboardist Tim Blake is! and what a great song; I found some other stuff from him -New Jerusalem- but not as good, IMO). Being recommended twice on this thread, I checked Zombi's first, Cosmos, and it surprised me: Serpens, what a great song! and Andromeda is a gem. I did a shallow listen to the newer albums but they didn't come across as good to me. I think we could say Zombi is a grain less underrated now
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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^Sounds like a troll.....but who knows?
But one bad rating doesn't not make any meaningful difference anyway...so....?
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7411 |
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^Man, that review of ITCOTCK was sure harsh! I don't agree with any of it. Thanks for posting!
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Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Online Points: 37107 |
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When I say underrated, which I very rarely would, I mean that something is held in lower esteem/ valued less than I think it should be. One might think that many things are underknown, and that may be because one feels that it had been underrated by some and so the word never spread. I like to think more in terms of specific claims being made about music. If someone says that every band that came before The Flower Kings could not be considered Prog or progressive, and that The Flower Kings Back In The World Of Adventures should be considered the first Progressive Rock album and is the most unique album in music history, then I would say that they have underrated that which came before TFK and overrated TFK's importance. The following is a review of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. It does not prove a great illustration, but it gets some things wrong, so I would argue that this one star review underrates the album.
So what's a Prog band that could get the golden diaper award (a bum wrap) as very underrated in terms of it not getting the credit it deserves from many people from a verifiable objective standpoint? I don't know. I can think of lots that I believe certain individuals have underrated as claims and arguments have been made that lacked validity/ showed ignorance/ were inaccurate. |
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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true but I specifically stated that on PA they are underrated. Obviously they are a huge group commercially worldwide. Considering that their latest studio album was released in 2015 and I was the first collaborator to review it 4 years later, I would say if they aren't underrated then they are just plain ignored
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Online Points: 45587 |
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I disagree. They are famous and get a lot of praise from listeners enjoying symphonic metal and power metal. |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Nightwish is a good call...
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20650 |
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Very true...all of the known bands have plenty of ratings here at PA and are rated fairly imho...but many are not mentioned often or don't have a lot of ratings here on the board.....some of those might be underrated in that respect.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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on PA, definitely Nightwish
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9070 |
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love them, but in the grand scheme of things they did very well for themselves, moving over 120,000 albums of prog at the end of the 1970s and early 1980s. Nothing to sneeze at, even if they are given somewhat short shrift here on a prog website. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Perhaps Guru Guru, the chameleons of rock. Almost every album is in a different style.
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miamiscot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3618 |
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Anyone's Daughter also comes to mind!!!
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