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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

What is the point of a spoof review of a classic? Unless an attempt by the pan-heads to bring down the average rating of an album they do not like?


Some pots and pans-heads love spatulas (in the US, an implement used in cooking).

It hasn't brought down the rating and it is not intended to do so. If one were to assume that such a silly review were written with serious intent, it would be underrating the album as it is fallacious/ erroneous. No cheap diner spatula was used to percussive disco intent in that album, the alleged spatula was in actuality quite an expensive electro-mechanical, polyphonic spatula -- the Spatulatron*.

While not my favourite King Crimson album -- I tend to favour Lizard) --, I like In the Court of the Crimson King, and that review only exists in this thread.   For those who haven't read through the posts here, like I said "I wrote it with some humorous intent to illustrate how I use the term underrated".

*Incidentally, the Spatulatron was most famously employed at John Lennon's "Strawberry Pancakes Forever" breakfast restaurant in Brooklyn and had also been utilised by The Moody Blues line-cook in "Fillets of Future Passed".
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What is the point of a spoof review of a classic? Unless an attempt by the pan-heads to bring down the average rating of an album they do not like?
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The following is a review of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. It does not prove a great illustration, but it gets some things wrong, so I would argue that this one star review underrates the album.

Quote I herd this hoping it would be the The Notorious Be-G's (NBG), but instead I got early Snoop Dog before he had the snoop in the dog and dog in the snoop.

Having done research, I have come up with my theory which is as follows right after this (after "this" it follows). Some people claim that this is the first prog album and others don't. They are both wrong! I had never heard of Prog before, but In the Court of the Crimson King not only could, will, and would not be considered to be the first Prog album, in actual fact, it could/ would/ will not be considered to be Prog in any way unless Prog is short for microwave oven. In fact, it's not even music at all cause it's just noise, and music cannot be noise, it has to mean something and be more than noise-sound. It has no melody, no harmony, no soul, no nothing.

It doesn't have notes, just noises, and noise is not musical so this is not music. If this "album" had actual instruments and actual musicians (like Dr Dre or Johnny Cashmachine), then maybe you could call it music even though you are wrong, but as it doesn't have any of those things that I mentioned before, you can't and so you shouldn't because it wouldn't make any sense to do that. Maybe you think that recording the sound of a microwave oven and food processor counts as music, but I don't, cause that's all this is, plus a disco beat which is just a spatula being used in a cheap diner for making mouldy cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise and bit of lettuce I think.

People act all cool like they like this album, but they are not cool and they are all liars since they are not even real people and this music is not cool, and it is not even music, so how could it be cool and how would be people who do not exist in the truest reality that is in my world even know? It makes no sense. Those fakes are just Russian spam bots made out of tinned meat and Russian tin cans so they do not know what is music and what is not music, and what is not not not not not music. Later on Snoop Dog would make real music if it is called music, but don't start with this one that is not music even if it is called music, because it is not music, cause this is just Snoop dog turd plus microwave, food processor and cheap diner spatula, not like a good spatula found in a fancy restaurant. It is not even a real album.

I don't like it, and doubt it even exists at all. If you like this you do not even exist, maybe I don't exist but at least I like actual music. Music that is real and true and honest and has a good beat in reality. I give it one star for not being Prog other than microwave oven, music, or even a real album. I also don't like the album cover because I don't like chihuahuas. Go buy "In the Kennel of the Crimpy Dog" instead because it is much improved. It is music, even if not very good music. Buy In the Court of the Crimson King if you like noise such as microwave oven sounds and cheap diner spatulas but don't buy if you want music. Thank you for reading if you did or didn't do so.

 

This is hilarious, very philosophical and dada and gaga at the same time, and I don't think it contains any serious rating whatsoever.
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The pan-heads do spend an inordinate amount of time disparaging classic symphonic progressive rock....I blame the parent's...
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Nightwish is a good call...


I disagree. They are famous and get a lot of praise from listeners enjoying symphonic metal and power metal. 




true but I specifically stated that on PA they are underrated.  Obviously they are a huge group commercially worldwide.  Considering that their latest studio album was released in 2015 and I was the first collaborator to review it 4 years later, I would say if they aren't underrated then they are just plain ignored


Maybe because most people don't find them to be progressive metal. That's why I mentioned the other two metal subgenres, they make more sense to me describing their music. 






If underrated at PA is synonymous with being one of the most ridiculed bands in PA, then I agree with Nightwish.

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EDIT: By the way, that In the Court of the Crimson King review might be a troll, but then that troll is me. I wrote it with some humorous intent to illustrate how I use the term underrated. An individual or a group can underrate or overrate something, and I often discern that when false or dubious claims are made and specious arguments are used as justification.

Edited by Logan - June 04 2019 at 16:19
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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Nightwish is a good call...

I disagree. They are famous and get a lot of praise from listeners enjoying symphonic metal and power metal. 



true but I specifically stated that on PA they are underrated.  Obviously they are a huge group commercially worldwide.  Considering that their latest studio album was released in 2015 and I was the first collaborator to review it 4 years later, I would say if they aren't underrated then they are just plain ignored

Maybe because most people don't find them to be progressive metal. That's why I mentioned the other two metal subgenres, they make more sense to me describing their music. 




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^check out: Sensations Fix Portable Madness for some more kinda space rockin' progressive electronics (the remastered version sound great)

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Zombi

One of my faves (as if you can't tell). Their Goblin-meets-John Carpenter-meets Tangerine Dream sound is exactly what the doctor ordered. They maintain a loyal following, but it should be bigger. And they need to make a new album. But they do make solo albums as well, so I'm just grateful for the body of work they've thus far released. Everyone should dig these guys.
 
Hey thank you guys! this entry is already delivering for me Tongue

I don't want to go too much off-topic, but I've been searching for a long time here on PA for the best "electronic" band to my liking, being a neofite at this genre; Tangerine Dream not being quite there for me with its long soundscapes; I was looking something more on the lines of Gong - A Sprinkling of Clouds from You album (by the way, what a great keyboardist Tim Blake is! and what a great song; I found some other stuff from him -New Jerusalem- but not as good, IMO).

Being recommended twice on this thread, I checked Zombi's first, Cosmos, and it surprised me: Serpens, what a great song! and Andromeda is a gem. I did a shallow listen to the newer albums but they didn't come across as good to me.

I think we could say Zombi is a grain less underrated now LOL
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^Sounds like a troll.....but who knows?
But one bad rating doesn't not make any meaningful difference anyway...so....?
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^Man, that review of ITCOTCK was sure harsh!  I don't agree with any of it.  Thanks for posting!
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Bands that are not mentioned are unrated rather than underrated.

 
Very  true...all of the known bands have plenty of ratings here at PA and are rated fairly imho...but many are not mentioned often or don't have a lot of ratings here on the board.....some of those might be underrated in that respect.


When I say underrated, which I very rarely would, I mean that something is held in lower esteem/ valued less than I think it should be. One might think that many things are underknown, and that may be because one feels that it had been underrated by some and so the word never spread.   I like to think more in terms of specific claims being made about music. If someone says that every band that came before The Flower Kings could not be considered Prog or progressive, and that The Flower Kings Back In The World Of Adventures should be considered the first Progressive Rock album and is the most unique album in music history, then I would say that they have underrated that which came before TFK and overrated TFK's importance.

The following is a review of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. It does not prove a great illustration, but it gets some things wrong, so I would argue that this one star review underrates the album.

Quote I herd this hoping it would be the The Notorious Be-G's (NBG), but instead I got early Snoop Dog before he had the snoop in the dog and dog in the snoop.

Having done research, I have come up with my theory which is as follows right after this (after "this" it follows). Some people claim that this is the first prog album and others don't. They are both wrong! I had never heard of Prog before, but In the Court of the Crimson King not only could, will, and would not be considered to be the first Prog album, in actual fact, it could/ would/ will not be considered to be Prog in any way unless Prog is short for microwave oven. In fact, it's not even music at all cause it's just noise, and music cannot be noise, it has to mean something and be more than noise-sound. It has no melody, no harmony, no soul, no nothing.

It doesn't have notes, just noises, and noise is not musical so this is not music. If this "album" had actual instruments and actual musicians (like Dr Dre or Johnny Cashmachine), then maybe you could call it music even though you are wrong, but as it doesn't have any of those things that I mentioned before, you can't and so you shouldn't because it wouldn't make any sense to do that. Maybe you think that recording the sound of a microwave oven and food processor counts as music, but I don't, cause that's all this is, plus a disco beat which is just a spatula being used in a cheap diner for making mouldy cheese sandwiches with mayonnaise and bit of lettuce I think.

People act all cool like they like this album, but they are not cool and they are all liars since they are not even real people and this music is not cool, and it is not even music, so how could it be cool and how would be people who do not exist in the truest reality that is in my world even know? It makes no sense. Those fakes are just Russian spam bots made out of tinned meat and Russian tin cans so they do not know what is music and what is not music, and what is not not not not not music. Later on Snoop Dog would make real music if it is called music, but don't start with this one that is not music even if it is called music, because it is not music, cause this is just Snoop dog turd plus microwave, food processor and cheap diner spatula, not like a good spatula found in a fancy restaurant. It is not even a real album.

I don't like it, and doubt it even exists at all. If you like this you do not even exist, maybe I don't exist but at least I like actual music. Music that is real and true and honest and has a good beat in reality. I give it one star for not being Prog other than microwave oven, music, or even a real album. I also don't like the album cover because I don't like chihuahuas. Go buy "In the Kennel of the Crimpy Dog" instead because it is much improved. It is music, even if not very good music. Buy In the Court of the Crimson King if you like noise such as microwave oven sounds and cheap diner spatulas but don't buy if you want music. Thank you for reading if you did or didn't do so.


So what's a Prog band that could get the golden diaper award (a bum wrap) as very underrated in terms of it not getting the credit it deserves from many people from a verifiable objective standpoint? I don't know. I can think of lots that I believe certain individuals have underrated as claims and arguments have been made that lacked validity/ showed ignorance/ were inaccurate.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Nightwish is a good call...

I disagree. They are famous and get a lot of praise from listeners enjoying symphonic metal and power metal. 



true but I specifically stated that on PA they are underrated.  Obviously they are a huge group commercially worldwide.  Considering that their latest studio album was released in 2015 and I was the first collaborator to review it 4 years later, I would say if they aren't underrated then they are just plain ignored
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Nightwish is a good call...

I disagree. They are famous and get a lot of praise from listeners enjoying symphonic metal and power metal. 


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Nightwish is a good call...
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Bands that are not mentioned are unrated rather than underrated.
 
Very  true...all of the known bands have plenty of ratings here at PA and are rated fairly imho...but many are not mentioned often or don't have a lot of ratings here on the board.....some of those might be underrated in that respect.
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on PA, definitely Nightwish
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Anyone's Daughter also comes to mind!!!

love them, but in the grand scheme of things they did very well for themselves, moving over 120,000 albums of prog at the end of the 1970s and early 1980s.  Nothing to sneeze at, even if they are given somewhat short shrift here on a prog website.


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Perhaps Guru Guru, the chameleons of rock. Almost every album is in a different style.


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Anyone's Daughter also comes to mind!!!
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