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The Dark Elf 
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 Posted: May 04 2019 at 19:35 |
 omphaloskepsis wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
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For Easy Money ...both the Daily Caller and zero hedge are right wing web sources..indeed zero hedge has been called alt right conspiracy and Caller is founded by Tucker Carlson from Fox...both biased sources....but then the right think that only they know the 'truth' and liberals just lie. ;)
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Trump is an idiot.
Trump and Putin talk on the phone and both agree there was no collusion, or rather Putin told him there was no collusion and Trump agreed. Trump didn't warn Putin against interfering in the 2020 elections, because again, Trump can't wrap his head around that every U.S. intelligence department, our allies and the Mueller report all showed unequivocally that the Russian interfered in 2016. Because Trump is a narcissistic ego-driven buffoon who refuses to even read the reports, which would wound his delicate pride.
Putin also told Trump that Russia was not interfering in Venezuela, and Trump, of course, believed him. “He is not looking at all to get involved in Venezuela, other than he'd like to see something positive happen for Venezuela,” Trump told reporters. This goes against Trump's own State Department and Nick Pompeo, who stated Putin sent troops to back Maduro, and Putin was trying to destabilize Venezuela.
Trump's own words. No media slant. Going against his own hand-picked department leaders. He is an idiot.
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Yes! It'll be wonderful to send American Troops to Venezuela! It worked out great in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Somalia, Libya and a bunch of other countries. Dark Elf is right! Why isn't America at War already? Obama was the first "two-term" president to carry on war every single day. I admit George W was a little slow, but even that bumbler started a war before his second year in office. Trump's a complete idiot for embracing peace. I'm with Dark Elf on this one...War is good!
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But you approve the U.S. proxy war in Yemen and the killing of children for the sake of Trump's murderous friends in Saudi Arabia. Gotcha. Trump vetoed the end of our involvement in Yemen for the sake of the money he receives directly from the Saudis. Where's your outrage? 
As far as Venezuela, I don't recall ever saying to send troops there...
*The Dark Elf checks previous posts*
Nope, never said that. I do love that, in your deluded state (a recent stroke, perhaps?), you missed where Trump said he believes Putin has no interests in Venezuela, which directly contradicts Trump's hand-picked boy in the State Department, Mike Pompeo. You are so dense you could cut diamonds with your forehead.
Edited by The Dark Elf - May 04 2019 at 19:36
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: May 05 2019 at 07:08 |
Dark Elf responds- But you approve the U.S. proxy war in Yemen and the killing of children for the sake of Trump's murderous friends in Saudi Arabia. Gotcha. Trump vetoed the end of our involvement in Yemen for the sake of the money he receives directly from the Saudis. Where's your outrage? 
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I expressed outrage at Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen months ago. On this very thread. I've criticized Trump on multiple occasions. However, I don't depict Trump as a one dimensional figure or cartoon villain the way you do, Dark Elf. Maybe that's why you christened yourself- Dark Elf? You don't know how to express nuance.
Case in point...Trump is not an idiot. He has a high IQ. Trump made billions, forged a powerful brand, created a hugely successful TV show, and against all odds....won the Presidency of the USA. Jobs, wages, America's economy, and the stock market are thriving under his leadership. Is that your definition of an idiot, Dark Elf? Dispense with the juvenile rhetoric already.
I want to discuss and delve into American politics in a productive manner. Let's talk policy and platforms. If you wish to criticize Trump, then back up your opinion with facts and logic. Enough with the purple prose and puerile pejoratives. And stop dog piling every opinion you disagree with! I know, it's not just you Dark Elf. Do you possess the ability to tolerate other's opinions? Must you browbeat dissenting views with abusive insults? Are secretly proud that you've poisoned the thread and shoved opposing opinions to the sidelines? Is that how you feed your dopamine fix, Dark Elf? If the answer is no, than prove it, grow up, and articulate your view in a courteous manner.
Because of the constant barrage of Trump insults, I feel the need to balance scales. I refuse to mob and dog pile Trump, rendering him a one dimensional doodle. He's not Snidely Whiplash! Is this is an Echo Chamber or a Public Square for Political Discussion?
On another front, Trump and Chuck Schumer recently agreed to assemble a bipartisan, 2 trillion dollar American infrastructural program. Yes, let's fix the potholes. I believe we can afford it, if Trump pulls troops out of the Middle East, ends NATO payments, and cuts America's multi-billion contribution to the United Nations. If the government can minimize graft and corruption, it might work. Perhaps some of you disagree with me. Good. Change my mind. State your case. Is retooling infrastructure good thing? How would you pay for it?
"It's OK to be wrong...Just don't stay wrong."
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: May 05 2019 at 08:01 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I expressed my outrage on Yemen months ago. On this very thread. I've criticized Trump on multiple occasions. However, I don't depict Trump as a one dimensional figure or cartoon villain the way you do Dark Elf. Maybe that's why you call yourself Dark Elf? You don't know how to express nuance. |
Nuance is not for narcissistic idiots. And he is a narcissistic idiot.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Case in point...Trump is not an idiot. He has a high IQ. Trump made billions, forged a powerful brand, stared in a hugely successful TV show, and against all odds....won the Presidency of the USA. Furthermore, jobs, wages, the stock market, and America's economy is booming under his leadership. Is that your definition of an idiot Dark Elf? Dispense with the juvenile rhetoric already. |
Please, point to anywhere that shows Trump has a high IQ. Please point to any academic achievement he has attained. Oh, that's right, his daddy paid to get him into Wharton (people are going to jail for that currently), and not based on academic merit. He's suing to hide his transcripts. He had his lawyers threaten and bully schools he went to. No one he went to school with recalls anything of merit he accomplished.
He had millions to work with from his equally criminal father (a fact he lied about), declared bankruptcy numerous times, lied about his net worth to Forbes, cheated his contractors, used illegal immigrants on jobs to keep the cost down, he is currently in a legal battle to hide his tax returns, even though every president for the past 50+ years voluntarily released them prior to elections. Regarding the economy, he can thank Obama for that. Trump tax cuts for the rich only increased the net worth of his billionaire friends and has been used by corporations for stock buy backs and not job growth. Nominal wage growth has been low and flat. The national debt is spiking.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I want to discuss and delve into American politics in a productive manner. Let's talk policy and platforms. If you wish to criticize Trump, then back up your opinion with facts and logic. Enough with the purple prose and juvenile pejoratives. And stop dog piling every opinion you disagree with! I know, it's not just you Dark Elf. Do you possess the ability to tolerate other's opinions? Must you browbeat dissenting views with abusive insults? Are secretly proud that you've poisoned the thread and shoved opposing opinions to the sidelines. Is that how you refresh your dopamine fix Dark Elf? If the answer is no, than prove it, grow up, articulate your view in a courteous manner. |
I'll post how I please, and continue to do so. I have backed up what I said, often using Trump's own words to prove he is an idiot and dangerous to the American people. In my last "Trump is an idiot" post, I used his words directly and the reports of his own handpicked people. No extenuating opinion from a media group, Trump's own deluded and sorry words.
Poisoning a political thread? If you go back and review your tinfoil hat right wing nonsense and endless conspiracy theories, and realize you have been duped, perhaps you will stand up to this charlatan before he damages the country further. He operates a criminal organization. It's actually amazing you can divorce yourself from how criminal this joker is and see the many direct associates convicted of criminal acts. How one can detach their synapses from rational thought is a medical marvel. And it is not just his criminal behavior and the criminality of his associates, it's the environment, it's education, it's immigration reform, it's international politics (oh look, Kim Jong Un shot off some more rockets ), it's alienating our closest allies, it's catering to right wing fanatics, Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. It's making healthcare even more expensive than when he came into office.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Because of the constant barrage of Trump insults, I feel the need to balance scales. I refuse to mob and dog pile Trump, rendering him a one dimensional doodle. He's not Snidely Whiplash! Is this is an Echo Chamber or a Public Square for Political Discussion? |
Balance away. Make stuff up. Support your tinpot dictator. Just don't expect niceties. You will receive none. Trump is a danger to the American people. He needs to go.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: May 05 2019 at 09:45 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I expressed my outrage on Yemen months ago. On this very thread. I've criticized Trump on multiple occasions. However, I don't depict Trump as a one dimensional figure or cartoon villain the way you do Dark Elf. Maybe that's why you call yourself Dark Elf? You don't know how to express nuance. |
Nuance is not for narcissistic idiots. And he is a narcissistic idiot.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Case in point...Trump is not an idiot. He has a high IQ. Trump made billions, forged a powerful brand, stared in a hugely successful TV show, and against all odds....won the Presidency of the USA. Furthermore, jobs, wages, the stock market, and America's economy is booming under his leadership. Is that your definition of an idiot Dark Elf? Dispense with the juvenile rhetoric already. |
Please, point to anywhere that shows Trump has a high IQ. Please point to any academic achievement he has attained. Oh, that's right, his daddy paid to get him into Wharton (people are going to jail for that currently), and not based on academic merit. He's suing to hide his transcripts. He had his lawyers threaten and bully schools he went to. No one he went to school with recalls anything of merit he accomplished.
He had millions to work with from his equally criminal father (a fact he lied about), declared bankruptcy numerous times, lied about his net worth to Forbes, cheated his contractors, used illegal immigrants on jobs to keep the cost down, he is currently in a legal battle to hide his tax returns, even though every president for the past 50+ years voluntarily released them prior to elections. Regarding the economy, he can thank Obama for that. Trump tax cuts for the rich only increased the net worth of his billionaire friends and has been used by corporations for stock buy backs and not job growth. Nominal wage growth has been low and flat. The national debt is spiking.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I want to discuss and delve into American politics in a productive manner. Let's talk policy and platforms. If you wish to criticize Trump, then back up your opinion with facts and logic. Enough with the purple prose and juvenile pejoratives. And stop dog piling every opinion you disagree with! I know, it's not just you Dark Elf. Do you possess the ability to tolerate other's opinions? Must you browbeat dissenting views with abusive insults? Are secretly proud that you've poisoned the thread and shoved opposing opinions to the sidelines. Is that how you refresh your dopamine fix Dark Elf? If the answer is no, than prove it, grow up, articulate your view in a courteous manner. |
I'll post how I please, and continue to do so. I have backed up what I said, often using Trump's own words to prove he is an idiot and dangerous to the American people. In my last "Trump is an idiot" post, I used his words directly and the reports of his own handpicked people. No extenuating opinion from a media group, Trump's own deluded and sorry words.
Poisoning a political thread? I f you go back and review your tinfoil hat right wing nonsense and endless conspiracy theories, and realize you have been duped, perhaps you will stand up to this charlatan before he damages the country further. He operates a criminal organization. It's actually amazing you can divorce yourself from how criminal this joker is and see the many direct associates convicted of criminal acts. How one can detach their synapses from rational thought is a medical marvel. And it is not just his criminal behavior and the criminality of his associates, it's the environment, it's education, it's immigration reform, it's international politics (oh look, Kim Jong Un shot off some more rockets ), it's alienating our closest allies, it's catering to right wing fanatics, Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. It's making healthcare even more expensive than when he came into office.
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Because of the constant barrage of Trump insults, I feel the need to balance scales. I refuse to mob and dog pile Trump, rendering him a one dimensional doodle. He's not Snidely Whiplash! Is this is an Echo Chamber or a Public Square for Political Discussion? |
Balance away. Make stuff up. Support your tinpot dictator. Just don't expect niceties. You will receive none. Trump is a danger to the American people. He needs to go. |
Two years ago, I predicted no Trump/Russia collusion. I was right. Dark Elf was wrong. Dark Elf continues to propagate conspiracy theories. All my predictions have come true. I predicted Trump's Presidency would be marked by a booming economy. I was right. I predicted low unemployment and higher wages. I was right again. I predicted that Trump would not start a war. So far, I'm right. I predicted a record breaking stock market, and I put my bullish money on the S&P, Nasdaq, and SOX. I predicted tariffs would force Mexico, Canada, EU, and China to make new trade deals. Again, I'm right. Only China hasn't capitulated yet. I predict North Korea will denuclearize. Do you disagree? On this very thread, on Oct 12th, I predicted gas and oil prices would drop like a rock through the elections and beyond. My husband and I shorted oil futures. Oil prices dropped over 40%, after my prediction. My point? It takes logic, knowledge of facts, patterns, and reality to precisely predict future outcomes. My predictions have been spot on. This thread documents my predictions. This thread is clogged with Dark Elf's missteps and conspiracy theories. You can't admit your wrong, Dark Elf. Trump didn't collude with Russia. You suffer from cognitive dissonance. You're like a shaven headed cult member, waiting for aliens to pluck you off a mountain top. When the Aliens don't come, you double down on your delusions and dive deeper into a cultist haze of lies. Trump has been cleared by a "house investigation", a "senate investigation", and a two year Mueller investigation. What do you not understand about "NO Russian collusion"?
Mr. Elf, If your world view is based in reality, then you should be able to predict future outcomes. I predict Trump wins presidency in 2020. I continue to stand behind my prediction that China will capitulate, and sign a new trade deal. I predict that Russia won't take over Venezuela. Now, you make some predictions, Mr. Elf. If your conspiracy theories are correct, then you should be able to predict future outcomes based on your conspiracy theories. Predict away. What will Trump gift Putin? Be specific. Will Trump top Hillary, and give Putin the rest of America's uranium? Since Obama let Russia conquer Crimea, how many countries will Trump gift to Putin? Venezuela? Ukraine? When will it happen? Where will it happen? But you won't make a prediction............. Dark Elf said,
"If you go back and review your tinfoil hat right wing nonsense and endless conspiracy theories, and realize you have been duped...."
Wow, Mr. Elf, your accusation is as vague as a bleary fog. Be specific. What conspiracy theory? Point out nonsensical, untrue statements I made. Perhaps a prediction that missed the mark? Give specific examples. But you won't. Because you can't. I predict you'll manufacturer excuses, wallowing in vague, superficial generalities and deranged rants. 
Despite my responses, I like you Dark Elf. Your, energetic, entertaining, and you make me laugh. Plus, you display excellent taste in film, books, and music.  The majority of internet websites place Trump's IQ at 156.  Look it up.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - May 05 2019 at 10:42
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Posted: May 06 2019 at 09:05 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I predicted most this stuff 2 years ago...on this thread. I'll tell you something that you don't know. I read the entire Mueller Report.
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Good for you! And what conclusions did you make? Any thoughts on obstruction?
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No matter how hard he tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, my prediction is that he will fail big time.
Democracy will prevail, his descendants will never be monarchs.
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Posted: May 07 2019 at 06:16 |
Barbu wrote:
No matter how hard he tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, my prediction is that he will fail big time.
Democracy will prevail, his descendants will never be monarchs. |
Are you sure? Perhaps we are on the timeline of a dystopian future of right wing populism, civil disorder, environmental disaster, and the eventual collapse of our civilisation....
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^ I am an optimist by nature and I refuse to believe that the average folk will not stand up, listen to reason, and do something about this...but you may be right friend.
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Posted: May 07 2019 at 10:08 |
Chaser wrote:
Barbu wrote:
No matter how hard he tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, my prediction is that he will fail big time.
Democracy will prevail, his descendants will never be monarchs. |
Are you sure? Perhaps we are on the timeline of a dystopian future of right wing populism, civil disorder, environmental disaster, and the eventual collapse of our civilisation.... |
On the plus side, the coal industry is making a comeback. 
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446
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Posted: May 07 2019 at 11:01 |
^ i just bought a coal powered leaf blower. They were on sale!
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Posted: May 08 2019 at 06:50 |
Easy Money wrote:
Chaser wrote:
Barbu wrote:
No matter how hard he tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, my prediction is that he will fail big time.
Democracy will prevail, his descendants will never be monarchs. |
Are you sure? Perhaps we are on the timeline of a dystopian future of right wing populism, civil disorder, environmental disaster, and the eventual collapse of our civilisation.... |
On the plus side, the coal industry is making a comeback. |
Actually it isn't...
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Posted: May 08 2019 at 07:18 |
omphaloskepsis - our local word salad generator wrote:
The majority of internet websites place Trump's IQ at 156. Look it up. |
Thanks for giving me a good laugh! Oh, the tinfoil industry must be doing great in Texas these days!
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Posted: May 10 2019 at 10:52 |
Great news today: My Administration just secured a historic donation of HIV prevention drugs from Gilead to help expand access to PrEP for the uninsured and those at risk. Will help us achieve our goal of ending the HIV epidemic in America!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/gilead-donates-anti-hiv-drug-for-200-000-people-to-help-trump-initiative#!
Donald Trump's Administration got Gilead Company to donate the anti-HIV- AID's drug to 200,000 HIV sufferers, for 11 eleven years. One year's worth of the anti-HIV drug Truvada costs $20,000 per year, per person.
Eradicating AID's in America is one of President Trump's evil goals. What an idiot. No matter how hard Trump tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, Democrats and HIV viruses will resist!
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Posted: May 10 2019 at 12:38 |
progaardvark wrote:
omphaloskepsis - our local word salad generator wrote:
The majority of internet websites place Trump's IQ at 156. Look it up. |
Thanks for giving me a good laugh! Oh, the tinfoil industry must be doing great in Texas these days! |
The tin foil and the gun industry have both always done well there.
There have been articles that Trump was first in his class at Warton, but yet there’s no proof of this. Just another one of his ever-growing pile of lies. In fact, to the contrary of people with high IQ’s, Trump does not read. He has information and the news read to him, or presented in some sort of audio manner. Plus look at his vocabulary… it’s around a third-grade level. No, Trump is nowhere near the 203 he boasts about, and I don’t believe he even cracks 100. But hey, just like his tax returns, he’ll never show us any documents to support his supposed massive IQ.
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Posted: May 10 2019 at 19:33 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
Two years ago, I predicted no Trump/Russia collusion. I was right. Dark Elf was wrong. Dark Elf continues to propagate conspiracy theories. All my predictions have come true... My predictions have been spot on. This thread documents my predictions. This thread is clogged with Dark Elf's missteps and conspiracy theories. You can't admit your wrong, Dark Elf. Trump didn't collude with Russia. You suffer from cognitive dissonance. You're like a shaven headed cult member, waiting for aliens to pluck you off a mountain top. When the Aliens don't come, you double down on your delusions and dive deeper into a cultist haze of lies. Trump has been cleared by a "house investigation", a "senate investigation", and a two year Mueller investigation. What do you not understand about "NO Russian collusion"? |
My, so much mind-numbing prevarication. If you lit a patchouli candle and donned some beads -- maybe wear a fringed leather jacket and moccasins -- I'd say you were on a heavy dose of psychotropics.
So, you read the report, did you? Did you actually read the words or merely follow the Trump tweets? Did read the report, or go by the mound of misinformation in Barr's 4 page I-sat-down-with-Trump's-attorneys-in-the-White House-and-cobbled-together-this-bullsh*t brief? You read the heavily-redacted Mueller report and came away with the addled groupie-sniffing, cult-of-personality, brain-washed thought that Trump is not guilty as hell? I will ignore the other crap you scraped off your rear with only one square of toilet paper, and deal with that another day. Now, back to the Mueller Report:
1. The Russian government actively interfered in the 2016 election to benefit Trump, Trump and no one else but Trump. Unequivocal. Both the Mueller Report and the independent findings of every U.S. intelligence agency agrees. The Russian aim, according to Mueller, was to help the Trump campaign with the belief that it would aid Moscow's interests. To date, Trump has still not admitted this fact, nor actively fought against it.
2. There were a total of 251 contacts between Russia-linked operatives and Trump campaign officials, and at least 37 different meetings. None of these contacts were reported to the proper authorities, and Trump and his associates lied in nearly every instance regarding these contacts, and “those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”
3. The Trump campaign knowingly shared internal polling data on battleground states with a Russian spy.
4. "The redacted Mueller Report documents a series of activities that show strong evidence of collusion. Or, more precisely, it provides significant evidence that Trump Campaign associates coordinated with, cooperated with, encouraged, or gave support to the Russia/WikiLeaks election interference activities."
5. "At least 33 high-level campaign officials and Trump advisers had or were aware of contacts between the Trump team and Russia, including Trump and the three successive people who ran his campaign...Yet none of them ever revealed to federal law enforcement that the Russians were seeking to interfere with the election by aiding the campaign."
6. "Despite the overwhelming number of contacts and widespread knowledge within the Trump team about them, the Trump campaign issued numerous blanket denials of contacts with Russia."
7. Because of it being heavily redacted, "what’s missing from the Mueller Report is the Special Counsel’s counterintelligence findings." Therefore, further damaging context has been omitted by Attorney General Barr. And speaking of dis-Barred:
8. Mueller sent a letter to Barr regarding Barr's white-washing of conclusions (even though Barr, the hand-picked henchman of Trump, could not rule out Trump's blatant, unlawful and criminal obstruction). Mueller wrote: The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions. There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations." The summary Barr wrote "undermines" the very report itself.
9. Mueller established obstructive acts, the nexus of the acts and the intent of the acts, indicating impeachable offenses -- "an obstructive act; some form of nexus between the obstructive act and an official proceeding; and criminal (i.e., corrupt) intent.” Because Mueller could not indict a sitting president due to prohibition by the Attorney General's office, Mueller wrote: “With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.”
10. It is now clear that Barr has obstructed justice, and the same statute Congress is using against him will be the obstruction of justice statute that the Mueller report states Trump violated on several occasions: "engaging in deceptive or diversionary behavior for a corrupt purpose in order to impede a government investigation or inquiry."
There was no exoneration of Trump, only pointed guilt and proof this idiot should never have been elected president. The Mueller Report stops short of criminally indicting Trump for collusion, but gives ample reason to try him for obstruction. Trump is still trying to obstruct the investigation. He doesn't want Mueller to testify. He doesn't want McGahn to testify. Barr is refusing to continue his testimony and had to be found in contempt of Congress. Trump is fighting tooth and nail not to have his taxes revealed (even though everyone has recently found out he has lost more money than any other American -- ever! I prefer my billionaires to actually make money).
If Trump did not directly collude with the Russians, as many of his convicted associates have, what we're left with is a puppet who was played. A dupe to Putin. A criminal clown so caught up in his own bloated ego that he failed to understand the Russians were attacking us, and he welcomed Russian interference (out of his own mouth). His own flaccid denials of "No collusion" continue and he still won't outwardly admit what the Mueller report states quite clearly.
And you, who claim to have read the report, blithely support this dupe, this pawn, this buffoon, and ignore all the criminal, illegal, and, at the very least, morally-repugnant activity that occurred. Because you were paid off cheaply with a couple thousand buck tax return that by law will be eliminated in a few years, and which is being eroded by Trump's equally stupid tariffs and foreign policies. I'm through here.
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Posted: May 11 2019 at 01:59 |
Chaser wrote:
Barbu wrote:
No matter how hard he tries sowing the seeds of dictatorship, my prediction is that he will fail big time.
Democracy will prevail, his descendants will never be monarchs. |
Are you sure? Perhaps we are on the timeline of a dystopian future of right wing populism, civil disorder, environmental disaster, and the eventual collapse of our civilisation.... |
I have similar feelings about my own country, India, too. This is looking like a 1930s like cycle of demagoguery and the people are emotionally too committed to these regimes to change their minds now. I could be wrong/too pessimistic but I don't see an easy way out of this. In India, I am counting on the misery of the poor to ignore the narratives about nationalism and vote out a non performing govt as they should. The middle class is punch drunk on jingoism and majoritarianism and firmly behind Mr Modi.
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omphaloskepsis
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The Dark Elf wrote:
So, you read the report, did you? Did you actually read the words or merely follow the Trump tweets? Did read the report, or go by the mound of misinformation in Barr's 4 page I-sat-down-with-Trump's-attorneys-in-the-White House-and-cobbled-together-this-bullsh*t brief? You read the heavily-redacted Mueller report and came away with the addled groupie-sniffing, cult-of-personality, brain-washed thought that Trump is not guilty as hell? I will ignore the other crap you scraped off your rear with only one square of toilet paper, and deal with that another day. Now, back to the Mueller Report:
And you, who claim to have read the report, blithely support this dupe, this pawn, this buffoon, and ignore all the criminal, illegal, and, at the very least, morally-repugnant activity that occurred. Because you were paid off cheaply with a couple thousand buck tax return that by law will be eliminated in a few years, and which is being eroded by Trump's equally stupid tariffs and foreign policies. I'm through here. |
"A tale told by an Elf, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
Yep, I read the entire report. Perhaps you recall that Mueller appointed biased, anti-Trumpers like disgraced, fired FBI agent- Peter Strzok. Mueller appointed prosecutors, donating over $50,000 dollars to Democrat campaigns, Hillary's Clinton Foundation lawyer, and one prosecutor attending Hillary's post election victory party. Even so, the Mueller report found No Collusion. Mr. Elf, what do you not understand about NO COLLUSION? I feel like I'm explaining. why Santa Claus doesn't exist to a recalcitrant, dumbfounded. twelve-year-old stable boy. I'll refute Dark Elf, point by point. But this is the last time Mr. Elf, because I won't bang my fists of logic and facts against a Mad Bugger's Wall.
There was little in the Mueller Report, that I did not know. I posted many of the facts, ensconced in the Report 2 years, on this very thread. Frankly, I'm amazed at what Mueller left out. No mention of the Steele Dossier, Alexander Downer, or Glen Simpson. In fact, Mueller left out a plethora of Exculpatory Evidence, exonerating Trump. For example...all the following in this article- https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/23/7-glaring-omissions-mueller-report-kill-credibility/
1. Mr. Elf claims, "Russia interfered in the 2016 election to benefit Trump, Trump and no one else but Trump. Unequivocal. " Mr. Elf is unequivocally wrong. Russia bought Facebook ads backing Black Lives Matters,Sanders, and Stein. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/facebook-russia-trump-sanders-stein-243172
Mr. Elf rehashes list #2 again in lists #5 and #6. Elf assembles what logicians call a, logic- fallacy- list. Here's how it works. Long laundry lists of items seems to implicate a correlation, however each item taken one by one, are easily refuted. In this case- encounters with Russians, includes Trump associates attending huge DC Parties and Dinners where Russians were present, shaking hands with a long line of folks, including a Russian. Somehow, 17 democrat federal prosecutors can't find collusion. I don't have time to refute every time a Trump associate drizzled Russian Dressing on a salad. Mr. Elf, please point out the most egregious instant that a Russian met with a Trump associate. I mean the most damning meeting! Don't be vague. Be specific. Post it and I'll disprove it. Take your best shot, Mr. Elf.
Manafort wasn't convicted of sharing a poll. Manafort was convicted of "tax fraud" and "bank fraud", dating back years before the Trump campaign. None of Manafort's convictions had anything to with 2016 election. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/paul-manafort-sentenced-to-nearly-4-years-in-prison-for-tax-bank-fraud
10% of Volume One of Mueller Report is redacted. 2% of Vol 2 of the Mueller Report is redacted. William Barr provided a less redacted report for 6 Democrats congressmen to view. Less than 1% is redacted. To date, Not a single Democrat Congressmen has chosen to read the less-redacted Mueller Report. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/democrats-republicans-mueller-report/index.html
I suggest Mr. Elf read the Mueller's letter to Barr, before you regurgitate fake news. (Hint- Maybe Mueller was upset at the way the Media portrayed the report.) Please quote the portion letter you refer to, word for word in context. Barr provided a summary of a 400 plus page report. Now, at this very minute, the Entire World can read the report for themselves. What did Mueller find? NO RUSSIAN COLLUSION.
Mr. Elf swallows Maddow's fabrications hook, line, and sinker. Mr. Elf is sure Trump will be impeached any day now. Incriminating evidence, written in invisible ink, buried in the Mueller Report, damning proof only Fairies and Elves can see. Bottom Line... If Mr. Elf assertions are correct than Trump will be impeached and indicted after he's thrown out of office?
"Trump's bound for the hoosegow, Any day now According to Dark Elf and Rachel Maddow, Madcow, brain disease Infested with snowflake fleas Hopping mad, screaming ORANGE MAN BAD."
I disagree with Mr. Elf's interpretation. I predict Trump will serve two terms. I predict Trump will retire afterwards and he won't be indicted ever. I predict that Barr will investigate: FBI spying on Trump campaign, the anatomy of Obama appointees illegally infiltrating Trump's campaign and Government intelligence officials withholding information from the FISA Courts. I predict indictments will follow.
I predict that Barr won't be indicted for obstructing justice. What do you predict Mr. Elf? But, you won't make a prediction. You got Trump Derangement Syndrome, 2016 election PTSD. You stamp your feet, yell at clouds, throw tantrums, and blame Trump for all your miscues. Time to take responsibility Mr. Elf. If your conspiracy theories hold water, then you should be able to predict an outcome. For example- Will Trump and Barr be indicted?
In the past, on this very thread, I've challenged Mr. Elf to make a prediction. To date, Mr. Elf has refused to predict anything. Much like the Democrat Congressmen who refuse to view the lesser- redacted Mueller Report. The Democrat congressmen won't even mention it...Instead they pretend it doesn't exist.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - May 12 2019 at 15:12
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progaardvark
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Posted: May 12 2019 at 14:41 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
10% of Volume One of Mueller Report is redacted. 2% of Vol 2 of the Mueller Report is redacted. William Barr provided a less redacted report for 6 Democrats congressmen to view. Less than 1% is redacted. To date, Not a single Democrat Congressmen has chosen to read the less-redacted Mueller Report. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/10/politics/democrats-republicans-mueller-report/index.html
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From that CNN article, it also says this:
"The department has placed unacceptable limitations on access to that information," Nadler said at Wednesday's contempt hearing. "Their offer would block the members of this committee from reading those sections of the report for themselves. ... It would prevent me from speaking with my colleagues with other members of the committee about what I might see. What good is it? Of what use can this committee make of information that I have but can't discuss with any other member of the committee?"
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