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Sweetnighter 
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 Topic: Petition for Radiohead to be in archives
Posted: December 28 2004 at 23:56 |
I know somebody is going to rail me for being a hypocrit here, but I
don't think I am being one. Yes, i think Radiohead is prog, or at least
heading in that direction, and no, I don't think Primus is or ever did.
Here's why I think Radiohead should be in the archives:
- Radiohead has forged a unique sound... combining elements of
indie and electronica into their interesting blend of alternative rock,
the band is doing something distinctively new.
- Concept albums. Both 1997's OK Computer and their most recent
Hail to the Theif have definite focuses throughout the album, the
former being about the mediocrity of day-to-day life while the latter
is more of an establishment criticism.
- The band's essence. Just as Yes is known for its eastern
spiritualism, roger dean art, and unintelligible hippie lyrics,
Radiohead has done the same, incorporating nihilistic themes into their
music and decorating their albums in similarily meaningless art, such
as can be seen in their post-OK Computer albums.
- The band's song evolve... unlike some groups (ahem) the pieces
they write have lots of mood changes. For reference, listen to the
track "Paranoid Android" off of OK. The band's sound is constantly
evolving as well. Their first album, Pablo Honey, is different from
1995's the Bends, and is a world away from Hail to the Theif.
- They're good. Like, really good.
Well... thats my case... have at it!
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jiggajake
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:00 |
I agree 100%, i'm very supportive of being in the archives, the CD "OK Computer" is a progressive masterpiece and, though i have heard (from someone here) that they dont even consider themselves prog, i still feel they are a necessity to the forums.
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:02 |
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Hey, Tull hates being called prog and so does Fripp. What of it? They're not the ones making the calls... maani and team are!
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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jiggajake
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:07 |
Amen. Oh yea, and Karma Police is the best song ever.
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Gaston
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:20 |
I want Radiohead to be separate. They don't get Prog, they get more poli-rock/indie votes cast. That means they are grunge that never died. Then you'd have to go back and count so many other eurofolk as prog, like Bjork and Sigur Ros. If you want to start doing that, by all means, Radiohead is prog. But they're pop-prog, if there is such a thing, which is why I'm wary of all this...
Gaston
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:28 |
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If Styx is prog, then Radiohead is prog.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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Gaston
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:31 |
Styx is prog?
Where have I been? 
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:35 |
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its true... check the archives.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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Gaston
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 00:56 |
Alright, then Radiohead is prog then, but I've already voted no. Radiohead is sarcastic ideoteque and without need for classification. Now be fitter happier all you Fordians.
 
Anyways, there should just be two sections to this site. Old prog and neo prog. That would settle alot of arguments.
Gaston
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 01:00 |
Hi Sweetnighter, you're right, STYX is in the Archive, but if you read the bio (that I wrote) you'll find that I doubt they can be considered a progressive band, but even with those doubts I believe STYX, The Serpent is Rising and STYX II (only those three albums) are closer to prog than anything Radiohead did.
Radiohead has some Pink Floyd influence but that's not enough to be considered progressive, because they mixed this influence with the one of other commercial bands like REM.
I'm sure Radiohead is a better band than STYX but I believe they are closer to Indie/alternative than to progressive rock as a genre.
Iván
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Bryan
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 01:32 |
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We've been over this a billion times...
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jiggajake
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 04:31 |
They have completely shooken their indie roots that was so undeniably theirs with the release of pablo honey, OK Computer is far more progressive than The Serpent is Rising. And as far as sigur ros "having to be considered prog," many already do, for ive seen them recomended as a prog band by many a member.
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headboy
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 04:54 |
........ here we go again!
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how do i put an unbroken line in?
Edited by headboy
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BebieM
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 05:02 |
why do you guys always want bands to be included on that site? i don't think it makes that much of a change, unless we're really missing a true prog band. But I hear quite a lot of comments like "band A is included, and band B is better than band A (or has more prog), so we need band B on this site!"
prog has so many different subgenres already, and so many bands on here, I don't think we need to include every band that kinda sounds like prog, especially not those quite popular ones you can find information about on many other sites. If you wanna talk about those bands you can still open a thread, the people interested will take part in the discussion! you don't need a review part for all of them
bebieM
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Emperor
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 05:47 |
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No dirt of "alternative music " on Progressive Site!
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richardh
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 05:54 |
 Sweetnighter wrote:
If Styx is prog, then Radiohead is prog. |
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Lunarscape
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 06:13 |
Here we go again....Radiohead is just as much Prog Rock as Skid Row is heavy metal ! ! ! AAARRRRGGGHHHHHHH.....They are not even Boarderline Prog. So if you really want to torch this site put up a poll requesting Moby at Prog Archives, he at least runs a few great Prog tunes on PLAY ! ! !
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Lunar 
p.s. Is it possible to not allow more Radiohead threads ?
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chorus of one
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 06:16 |
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I like Radiohead, but I don't really care if they're on the site or not. Everybody knows them already anyway hehe.
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goose
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 06:29 |
BebieM wrote:
why do you guys always want bands to be included on
that site? i don't think it makes that much of a change, unless we're
really missing a true prog band. But I hear quite a lot of comments
like "band A is included, and band B is better than band A (or has more
prog), so we need band B on this site!" |
The problem is there are so many different ways to be progressive, and
everyone sees a different thing (or hears, rather). So if Styx are
progressive in one way, and Radiohead in another, some people will say
"Styx are prog! Radiohead aren't!" and others will say the opposite.
Now I like Radiohead, and before I discovered prog they were probably
my favourite band. But I say that, while an original, perhaps a
refreshing band, that doesn't qualify them as being progressive. Re
concept albums: "a computerised voice... does not a concept album make"
(I forget the middle part, and probably misquoted slightly, but that
was from Jonny Greenwood; a fairly outright denial)
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Captain Fudge
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 08:12 |
God bless the starter of this thread (mind you, I mean it!)... I have looked over the archives of this board and found that all in all, people agree that Radiohead are a special sort of prog, that can't be overlooked. COME ON, THEY'RE MORE PROG THAN TOOL! I mean, Toll's only prog album is Lateralus( and don't tell me that their eary punk-oriented stuff could be called prog, cause you'd be a GD liar!), whilst Radiohead's evewry single album since The bends is prog! DEBNY THAT, UNWORTHY DETRACTORS! ( Just kidding, now, everyone has a right to an opinion, I'm just a 14 year-old brat; a horrendous potty-mouth from Eastern Europe)
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