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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:10
Hi Grantman, exactly. 

In the interim, we've got a prime example on this thread of someone with no knowledge of how to play an instrument telling someone who patently has that they don't know what they're on about. 

It's endemic on the internet - on every "music" forum you go on, there will be some idiot who decides that, since he's listened to a lot of music, he knows better than you do. Or can strum a few chords, hence "genius, look at me."

I've now been playing a variety of musical instruments since 1976. Guess what ? I'm not a genius. I have a long way to go, nor do I know everything. But I know how much I do know, unlike a large number of "musicians" out there. 

The problem used to be that - pre internet, people could be privately stupid and didn't tend to dare ganging up on people with knowledge. You rarely got the Wandering Nutcase who would decide that he somehow knew everything.

Now, Club Idiot has formed, large numbers of people can embrace the Stupidocracy and decide that their collective opinion is worth something.

Anyone with knowledge is perversely seen as "elitist". I don't know about you, but if I had to have a kidney removed, I'd rather have an "elite" surgeon do it than someone off the top deck of a bus. 

This is why we get a mass of conspiracy theorists, chem trailers, anti-vaxxers and flat Earthers- they can all stupid together and there's strength in numbers (but still no value in their idiotic arguments.) So someone on a music forum can quite happily tell you how "easy bass is to play" and "only peole who can't play guitar play bass" with utterly no idea of what they're on about, having never picked one up.

They're just repeating idiotic mantras which they've heard and fit in with their (badly thought out) opinions. Heaven forfend that reality should not actually match their own view of themselves. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:28
I guess to me it's so obvious when someone is blowing smoke that I feel sorry for them, pat them on the head, and hope they don't further embarrass themselves.   Most people instinctively know when someone is talking through their ass.   Learned or not, they can tell.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 04:39
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Hi Grantman, exactly. 

In the interim, we've got a prime example on this thread of someone with no knowledge of how to play an instrument telling someone who patently has that they don't know what they're on about. 

It's endemic on the internet - on every "music" forum you go on, there will be some idiot who decides that, since he's listened to a lot of music, he knows better than you do. Or can strum a few chords, hence "genius, look at me."

I've now been playing a variety of musical instruments since 1976. Guess what ? I'm not a genius. I have a long way to go, nor do I know everything. But I know how much I do know, unlike a large number of "musicians" out there. 

The problem used to be that - pre internet, people could be privately stupid and didn't tend to dare ganging up on people with knowledge. You rarely got the Wandering Nutcase who would decide that he somehow knew everything.

Now, Club Idiot has formed, large numbers of people can embrace the Stupidocracy and decide that their collective opinion is worth something.

Anyone with knowledge is perversely seen as "elitist". I don't know about you, but if I had to have a kidney removed, I'd rather have an "elite" surgeon do it than someone off the top deck of a bus. 

This is why we get a mass of conspiracy theorists, chem trailers, anti-vaxxers and flat Earthers- they can all stupid together and there's strength in numbers (but still no value in their idiotic arguments.) So someone on a music forum can quite happily tell you how "easy bass is to play" and "only peole who can't play guitar play bass" with utterly no idea of what they're on about, having never picked one up.

They're just repeating idiotic mantras which they've heard and fit in with their (badly thought out) opinions. Heaven forfend that reality should not actually match their own view of themselves. 

Man, you just might be my favorite poster here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 07:12
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

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In the interim, we've got a prime example on this thread of someone with no knowledge of how to play an instrument telling someone who patently has that they don't know what they're on about. 
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That is a gross mis-representation of what I have written about, or my supposed ... lack of knowledge ... a hospital director/manager is not a doctor ... so what? 

Your comment is based, solely and strictly, on the premise that if you play an instrument, you know music, when in this thread that is what you are complaining about ... people that DO play an instrument (and I do!), but can not talk music with you, or communicate, because they don't know this or that. You, are limiting the communication to one aspect of music ... not all of them, and I find it sad and sick that you are not capable of accepting that.

Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

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It's endemic on the internet - on every "music" forum you go on, there will be some idiot who decides that, since he's listened to a lot of music, he knows better than you do. Or can strum a few chords, hence "genius, look at me."
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Also grossly incorrect. Again, you are assuming that I am saying that I know a lot about music ... no, in your terms I don't ... but in terms of having listened ... and I MEAN LISTENED INSTEAD OF NEEDLING IT, OR JUST SAMPLING IT ... yes I have, and I still have in my large collection over 40 different cultures, and the number of styles and different ideas and examples in music. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with my knowing or not knowing music ... it has more to do with my experience in appreciating and feeling something I love ... something that you keep totally stating that can only be done ... if you "know" music!

Sadly, all children are stupid and can not possibly come up with any music ... because your standards demand that you "change them" to what you want. Geeeee, why not call it a religion for gosh's sakes, and go ahead and proclaim some kind of fight against humanity ... because you know something and everyone else doesn't?

Rules are meant to be broken ... you want to become a serious artist? Learn to break the rules and the standards, and your music will be even better and stronger. But to constantly tell us that your knowing how to play an instrument is the most important part ... you're nutz dude ... in the early days of the synthesizer no one knew how to play it, and noises were made and eventually used. You couldn't take lessons on it! Just like Colombe got laughed at for his pieces of music many years ago, as have/did so many other composers for not following what everyone else did ... let's just say it for fun ... since it's such a great example ... it has ... huh ... it has ... huh ... too many notes!

And in your case too much talk and not enough concentration on playing with that person? Give a 5 year old an instrument ... and start playing with that kid ... you will likely learn a thing or two, if you do not decide that you have to teach the 5 year old the transcendent theory of great music ... as told by ... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 08:24
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:


This is why we get a mass of conspiracy theorists, chem trailers, anti-vaxxers and flat Earthers- they can all stupid together and there's strength in numbers (but still no value in their idiotic arguments.)  

Just because you've played music for decades makes you an expert on everything? NASA has admitted on its own website that it has been dowsing the atmosphere with aluminum dioxide and lithium for decades. FYI, those are chemtrails. Count me in as one of the anti-vaxxers. I've delved into this subject intensely since i have a degree in biology and my roommate is a medical doctor who is also an acupuncturist. You're flippant comments display a clear lack of depth in which you pursue your knowledge. Stick to music.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 11:17
Are you two married ? 

Acupuncture is cobblers as well. As for anti vax, read up any number of stats on the internet (including a survey of 675,000 vaccinations published a few days ago which found no statistical evidence for vaccine damage) - except - read them from reputable sources. 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/mar/08/anti-vaxxers-the-momo-challenge-why-lies-spread-faster-than-facts

NASA have been cloud seeding for years. That's not what "chemtrail" conspiracy theory is all about. 

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/tracers/metals.html

And a degree in biology - what specifically, can I ask ? Marine biology ? Plant biology ? 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 11:29
And I do apologise to Mosh if my *knowledge* doesn't tally with his *opinion*.

Which is what the thread is actually about. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 10 2019 at 18:13
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Are you two married ?  

Roommate means roommate. Married = spouse. Doctor means MD. Acupunture is a secondary degree. He is completely anti-vaxx. I'm not here to educate you on this matter, just wanted to chime in and let you know if you are calling those who espouse such stances morons then you're completely off base.

Acupuncture is cobblers as well. As for anti vax, read up any number of stats on the internet (including a survey of 675,000 vaccinations published a few days ago which found no statistical evidence for vaccine damage) - except - read them from reputable sources. 

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/mar/08/anti-vaxxers-the-momo-challenge-why-lies-spread-faster-than-facts

Sorry, practice what you preach. You have no clue about any of this and how much disinfo there exists. Better to not comment on things that are beyond your field of expertise.

NASA has been cloud seeding for years. That's not what "chemtrail" conspiracy theory is all about. 

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/tracers/metals.html

Actually chemtrailing totally encompasses what NASA has been involved in although you are correct that it is bigger than that. If you do not understand the implications of even what is public record then i'm afraid you're not up on this subject very well. Between the whistleblowers who have shed more light on "official" stories as well as samplings of biological systems impacted, the evidence is fairly convincing. 


And a degree in biology - what specifically, can I ask ? Marine biology ? Plant biology ? 

Ecology and environmental studies but also studied linguistics, anthropology, philosophy, psychology and many other disciplines on my own. I'm the ultimate nerd.Dead




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I'm online for a reason. And that reason is for forks and frosty windshields. My ass can even orbit the lowest of concrete muck, much like the bladders of Pittsburgh. But then you invade me like you have all the frog fields. I only sense that you have a clothes hamper and it's half full of nasal drippings for unforeseen cautions. Tidy up your pants and we won't have to tell you about the dampening of whoops.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2019 at 08:13
^^ so many precious keystrokes wasted just eating into valuable self gratification time
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2019 at 08:35
If chemtrails are not real, why is there a Wikipedia article disputing them?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2019 at 09:44
It's not like this thread started of in any good place to lead to so everyone blow some steam somewhere else, I can quite certainly believe no one is gonna change his opinion because of the discussion led here.
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