The American Politics Thread

To get to the nitty gritty, Trump's initial claim to '"destroy ISIS" was not a page in Steve Bannon's book of "f**k the World". It always seemed forced to me and what we're seeing now is the real economic and military isolationist that Trump is. Remember, we pay to defend other countries as well as ourselves so that's how the two disciplines are entangled. At least in Trump's mind.

Edited by SteveG - December 21 2018 at 08:48

He's just the product of a wealthy environment with no restrictions, a natural empathetic deficiancy, and zero accountability. Very normal, under those circumstances.

SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'. Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions. I'm sorry but not to label Trump is not wise. He will end being mislabeled as someone noble, like a patriot from patriotism, if people are not careful. Labels matter.

My labels for him would be more in the area of behavior and personality, not any sort of well thought out political views, because I don't think he has any consistent thought out views.
For instance I would label him a narcissist, nihilist or pathological liar.

Easy Money wrote: SteveG wrote: Easy Money wrote: I don't think trump is consistently any sort of 'ism' or 'ist'. Any event can push his emotions in unpredictable directions. I'm sorry but not to label Trump is not wise. He will end being mislabeled as someone noble, like a patriot from patriotism, if people are not careful. Labels matter. My labels for him would be more in the area of behavior and personality, not any sort of well thought out political views, because I don't think he has any consistent thought out views. For instance I would label him a narcissist, nihilist or pathological liar.

Labeling Trump with personality disorders are indeed easy but that's not how history will label him. He does have political views. The fact that he feels that a wall is important is due to politics, not his paranoia, no matter how easy it is to call him paranoid. Perhaps you can't fathom his politics simply because you're not a red neck.

Edited by SteveG - December 21 2018 at 11:07

Just to make a point, you understand. Vent some understandable frustrations.

I don't believe that any member on this thread in a war monger, including myself, but does a sudden withdrawal from Syria set us up for a bigger conflict to come back to in the future? Just asking.

Edited by SteveG - December 22 2018 at 04:54

I don't buy into conspiracy theories but this looks like another sign that Putin owns Trump lock, stock and barrel. #Sad. 

Brett McGurk, the US special presidential envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat IS, quits over Trump Syria pullout... 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46661384

In his resignation letter, Mr McGurk said that IS militants in Syria were on the run but not yet defeated. He said that withdrawing US forces from Syria would create the conditions that gave rise to IS. 

McGurk said Mr Trump's decision to pull out troops "came as a shock and was a complete reversal of policy". It "left our coalition partners confused and our fighting partners bewildered", he continued. 

"I ultimately concluded I could not carry out these new instructions and maintain my integrity," he added forcefully. 

Because integrity and Trump are mutually exclusive.

Edited by The Dark Elf - December 22 2018 at 12:59

Trying to nation build in places like the middle east and Afghanistan is a total waste of time, money, and people.

Get in kill the terrorists and get out.

Afghanistan is a medieval tribal nation and always will be, and dictatorship is the only system that keeps tribal religious fanatics in the middle east from killing each other.

Trying to impose western style democracy on them is a total waste of time.

Get out but be ready to hit them again if necessary