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Atavachron 
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 Posted: December 18 2018 at 19:17 |
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^ didn't and will watch that David.. but if we we heard out of court today is ANY indication that is isn't just us.. you know.. the rational ones that are completely sickened by the gross corruption and .. whisper.. treason going on.
I don't think there is any kind of deal Trump can plead... I think while we might want his head on a platter (since we can't have the heads of the millions of FOOLS that voted for him).. the adults in the room. The justice and judiary side of our country will make an example of him.. and perhaps a lesson for our dear fellow Americans Think before you f**king vote. I think Udai and Qusay could well follow their father into jail. As I posted the other day.. Trump is f**ked. The FBI has him and no one is going to pardon him.. Pence never would even if Trump resigned... and he can't himself.. and as we saw today with Flinn and that judge who laid down the law and a healthy dose of truth.. traitors that is what he was.. and what Trump is... and... those that abuse power and sh*t upon this nation for their own gain.. especially for other nations ....are not the ones that are going to get off easy.
Trump will made an example of.... mark it and book it. |
Wow, you think Pence wouldn't pardon Trump. I hadn't even considered that. Wouldn't that be a spectacle...unprecedented. And un-Presidented, too ;)
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 19:26 |
not a chance in HELL David that Pence would pardon Trump.
Pence is no Gerald Ford... completely different people. Pence is highly ambituous.. and knows through his history that Ford lost any chance he had to be elected in '76 when he pardoned Nixon. Pence is everything Ford is not.. and what he is is highly ambitous and with eyes on the White House.. not being a lame duck fill in for a year.. but winning election on his own terms.
As I've been saying.. Pence is and always has been far more dangerous than Trump for he is a politician.. through and through.. and very savvy in his own cro-magnon fundy ways. What.. is white grievance voter.. mr. bigot and racist.. you know.. Trump's core support not going to vote for Pence if he decided to not pardon their hero.. yeah sure... they'll lodge a protest by voting Democratic ahh huh.
he riskes nothing by not pardoning a man he probably thinks is only one step above democratic satantist pondscum because he has a R next to his name. but I think.. hahaha.. damn.. I hate saying too much good about Pence.. it might break my f**king keyboard.. but yeah... I think Trump and the way he has sh*t upon this country.. its ideals.. and made a laughingstock of the dignity and noble bearing of the office of the President. I think .. deep down.. Pence wants to see that a****le rot in a jail cell as much as we do.
the point is.. he loses nothing by not pardoning him.. he'll still rake in 'trump voter' but risks losing any chance to win in 2020 by pardoning him.. and unlike Ford.. it matters to him.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 19:32 |
Decent argument, well-reasoned. Mike Mulvaney called Trump "a terrible human being" and now he may be Chief of Staff. It's comic. No one would ever have said that about Obama even if they hated him.
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micky
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Posted: December 18 2018 at 19:44 |
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oh yeah.. for sure.. poltics and chaos are both ladders.. Mulvanny was a career bombthrowing 'freedom caucus' Congressman before Trump and was never going to be more... so yeah.. Chief of Staff to the President.. great move up in prestige and power. He swallowed whatever he felt to take that gig.. as Pence did in the VP gig. Remember.. he was going down in flames where even the hayseeds in Indiana were running him out of office... until Trump's problems finding anyone who wanted to be his VP was answered by a desperate swamp creature who needed a gig.. and always had eyes on becoming President. So he was one heartbeat away... again.. no chance he throws a chance to succeed Trump away just to save a man whom he probably holds as little respect for as most Americans do. He wouldn't lose Republican votes.. but again the theme of the game right now... and I do think Pence knows it... Republican right wing voters are simply not enough to win elections. If he pardons Trump.. bam.. there go moderates and independents.. thus no chance win in 2020. Much as Trump himself is heading... but if Pence doesn't pardon Trump... and even subtly renounces what we have seen under Trump.. he make start to make inroads with the middle.. and thus yes.. have a fighting chance to win in 2020.
Edited by micky - December 18 2018 at 19:47
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Posted: December 19 2018 at 17:34 |
and a big clappie.. to Congress... wow.. seems funny to think much less say...
sh*t upon them when they do nothing as they normally do.. like kicking cans down the road.. or feeding the discord and division which grip our nation....or f**king over Joe 6 pack for Mr. .1%r but when they work together.. beautiful things can happen. Like meaningful postiive legislation that make lives better.. not harder... well done both Left and Right.. I mean sheesh.. how many times have had those 2 sides work together. Not many at all.
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Posted: December 20 2018 at 17:23 |
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It looks like he pretty much burned ALL his bridges today.
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Posted: December 20 2018 at 19:18 |
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Yeah, wild 24 hours
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Posted: December 20 2018 at 21:15 |
So, President Trump claimed Defense Secretary James Mattis was retiring. Well, it would seem that Mattis actually is quitting, with a stinging resignation letter that slams Trump's foreign policy decisions. Mattis called out Trump on abandoning allies, both in Syria and Afghanistan, as well as longtime strategic partners (such as NATO, and particularly Canada and Britain). Mattis minced no words about Trump's "ambiguous" relationship with Russia. Mattis wrote this dig: "My views on treating allies with respect and also being clear-eyed about both malign actors and strategic competitors are strongly held and informed by over four decades of immersion in these issues. We must do everything possible to advance an international order that is most conducive to our security, prosperity and values, and we are strengthened in this effort by the solidarity of our alliances." Mattis could no longer stand what is happening. Trump needs to go. He is a danger to our country.
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Posted: December 20 2018 at 21:30 |
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It's pretty scary. I hate war, but this is just stupidity
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:07 |
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So let me get this straight: a guy nicknamed "Mad Dog“ and who publically stated it's fun to shoot people is considered just about the last bastion of sanity in the Trump administration? Waahahahah.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:12 |
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Yes, Mattis, like most Republicans, is a hawk and loves him some war. This decision by Trump is most welcome to me as it might be the straw that turns the old GOP against him. They have sat on their tongues and morals for too long trying to placate the orange tyrant.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:21 |
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wow... now that has been a wild couple of days... let's see what the next couple bring.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:29 |
Tapfret wrote:
It looks like he pretty much burned ALL his bridges today. |
well not quite all  .. other than FAUX news guzzling 35% of the electorate moron.. he will still have their love. But yeah in DC he probably has.. or would have but what is poor Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans to do?
Impeach him? or just continue whistling past the graveyard and hoping the next two years pass quickly and without a major national catastrophe.
and yep... somewhere in Russia.. Putin and his cabal are smiling..
this.. what we are seeing now.. is exactly what their campaign was intended to do. Divide, weaken and sow chaos in the heart and soul of their geopolitical enemy.
while 'trump voter' has forgotten that.. make no mistake Putin and Russia in thinking the US and Russia are anything resembling friends and allies.
Edited by micky - December 21 2018 at 04:30
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 04:43 |
SteveG wrote:
Yes, Mattis, like most Republicans, is a hawk and loves him some war. This decision by Trump is most welcome to me as it might be the straw that turns the old GOP against him. They have sat on their tongues and morals for too long trying to placate the orange tyrant. |
there is truth in there Steve... but that is a dangerous game to play.
One can thank Mattis for the likely million plus people that are still alive today for if not for Mattis, if the internal workings we have heard whispers about are true, we might have stumbling into a war with North Korea thanks to Trump's lack of knowledge or experience in political and miltary matters.
And Mattis stopped that
There is a large difference between being a hawk, hell I am Steve, and being a war monger. Miltary strength and the implied willingness to use it has, will, and can stop many a war. For bad guy is out there and is only waiting for weakness (or chaos.. que up Putin and Russia) to make their moves.
Those that have been through war know its costs and don't bring it on lightly. Thus the problem with the Neo-Cons and Bush light. A ideological/political war brought on by a bunch of 'intelletuals' and ideologues with silver spoons up their asses who had no concept of the chaos they were about to unleash in the middle east.. much less the human toll.
Thus the real danger once Mattis (and Kelly) are gone. Who will be the adults in the room protecting this country from rash unwise or just plain stupid decisions.
be careful in what one is welcoming..
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 05:12 |
then there is the other thing going on...
if one was rational and had a brain one knew this already... and if one didn't know this already... well this probably will be lost on them regardless.
so a government shutdown over 5B in wall funding.. can our government .. and more to the point our electorate be that stupid and disfunctional.
For yeah, this shutdown is going to happen not because of that minority that think (haha.. yeah.. I know) believe that a mere faction of what it would take (over 250B is what is estimated) to build 'that wall' is that important. Will it stop illegal immigration.. nope.. ask Europe what walls and fenses do.. it just means they go around them and enter where there are not. But as those who really think and know the subject know.. does nothing for what is changing the politics and demographics of this country.. for this is what it is really about. It isn't crime.. it is 'white identity poltics'. It isn't illegal immigration that will makes whites a minority in this country within many of our lifetimes.. it is legal immigration.
Anyhow.. this is just nothing more than the bullsh*t and broken government that supposedly so many hate, yet they continue to prepuate it in their elected governement representatives by doing what they did here.. by forcing Trump and the House to do what has zero chance of ever happening. Hell in this.. I have a better chance of being a famous porn star than a wall... or likely even a fragment of it .. ever being built.
At least in the Senate they know the poltical reality and acted responsibly on it. There simply are not the votes for it.. so in a childish huff... the government will suffer a partial shutdown. And yet whitie and Trump voter will rage about how broken our government is.
makes sense.. just as the last couple of years have...
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 05:14 |
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I'm not saying that Mattis is a war monger. Only that Trump is the antithesis of hawks and war mongers. Even worst than a dove, he's an isolationist. And that extends all the way down to his private decision making. And that's anathema to the GOP.
Edited by SteveG - December 21 2018 at 05:15
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 06:14 |
I'm not really sure what one can categorize Trump. At times dovish and isolationist.. other times he has that small penis compensation thing going on which again... very nearly got us into a war with N.K.
which of course we would 'win'.. if one terms a win in terms of hundreds of thousands, some estimates obviously top a million dead. And all needlessly...
what scares me Steve. and should scare everyone is one we have talked about in the past. Iran. See Captain Bonespurs is little different from most Americans.. all he sees and has seen is sterile footage on CNN of our smart wonder weapons chasing some Iraqi asshat and blowing him to smithereens..
it was in his eyes.. in many eyes.. an easy victory.
Iran though.. a completely different ballgame and I don't trust him to recognize the difference. And as has been posted here, and known to all, is the fact that NO SITTING U.S. President has ever lost when running for reelection. If the sh*t reallly hits the fan.. what better distraction.. the ultimate in fact. Than a war, an easy one haha against a real baddie in the eyes of the electorate. See the situation might seem farfetched.. and in a normal reaslity... it would be.
the truth though.. is far different.
That has always been the scary part about Trump.. normal rules do not apply to him. Such things as empathy.. forethought... intelligence.. and most importantly... making rational decisions.. not decisions baced upon his gut, instincts, or simply his (and our countries) biggest issue. His issue with NPD. No one else really matters in his world.. but himself.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 06:39 |
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trump is no dove, he wanted to start something in Venezuela, but the military told him no go.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 07:44 |
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I think it's safe to say that Trump is an isolationist as it's a part of his being a nationalist. Quite simple really.
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Posted: December 21 2018 at 08:34 |
^ an economic isolationist rebelling against globalim Steve... not a military isolationist. Note 'his' military... not 'our' military. It is a but a toy for him..
going back to Iran for a second.. not sure how many know of this.. or were ever aware but a fascinating read for those that think Iran would be a quick walkover.. and the double dangers of being overconfident in our technology and our exceptalism... which is my fear about Trump.. to say nothing of our own Generals.
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