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Which Albums by Rush are real Prog Rock? And Why? |
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grantman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 03 2015 Location: CANADA Status: Offline Points: 732 |
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Caress of steel,farewell to kings and hemispheres, that,s prog or progressive rock these 3 are the gems
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19178 |
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Wow, anyone who complains about Geddy's voice needs to hear Pavlov's Dog or Budgie. You will then appreciate Geddy. :D
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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It's well known around here that Barney is an angry, agressive a****le. No problem for me saying it since I'm not really serious about it. |
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Fischman ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 1637 |
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… an The Garden from Clockwork Angels (and IMO, many others). There is tremendous beauty in many of the lyrics as well, which may be hard for some to hear if they are put off by Geddy's voice.
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Rednight ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4812 |
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Edited by Rednight - November 25 2018 at 13:17 |
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Rush definitely invited super fandom for many reasons. I was never a big fan until I saw them live. Suddenly you're in with thousands of Rush fanatics while the band plays their heart out. Very infectious stuff.
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18006 |
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You don't have to be totally in love with any band. You confirm Rush has done good to near great music, to me that is more than enough to like a band a lot. Whether Lifeson was in the same league as those mentioned is subjective. I've never been a huge fan of Fripp or Howe, Hackett is better than all of them. Geddy's voice issue is a long in the tooth discussion, growing up I never had any issue with it and I suspect most of the prog/hard rock world does not either. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as the 3 you mention made magical music before Rush came into their own. Those bands are influences to Rush members and Rush music, that's all. I don't think you are missing anything other than you may not enjoy harder prog or Zeppelin styled prog rock, at least in the early years....
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19178 |
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Nope. There's several on here that are not big fans. I'm sure you can find at least a few who don't like each of the big bands(Yes, Floyd, Genesis, KC, ELP, JT)and some who don't like the next bands up such as Camel, VDGG, GG, Moody Blues, Kansas etc.
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GrafHaarschnitt ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 18 2017 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 251 |
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I don´t see the problem. He obviously isn´t serious about it xD.
Edit: That was about cristis post. Edited by GrafHaarschnitt - November 25 2018 at 07:32 |
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Padraic ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
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The beginning seems easy: Caress of Steel. Fly by Night had the inklings of something special, and I f**king love that album, but it's not quite there yet. The end is much harder and is intertwined in the endless, unresolved, "what is prog rock?" discussion. In the most conservative sense, I'd say their last prog rock album was Hemispheres.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19150 |
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They're definitely not for everyone. Seems you either love Rush or you don't. I have the same issue with Porcupine Tree. I just can't get into 'em.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7490 |
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Am I the only person on PA who is not totally in love with Rush?
I mean, they've done some good to near-great music, but Lifeson wasn't in the same league as Fripp, Howe, Hackett etc. Also, Geddy Lee's voice can really be irritating. What is it that I am missing? I see no beauty in their music, unlike Yes, King Crimson, Genesis etc.
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Mickey mouse dishes it out so he gets it back in spades...anybody who disagrees with him is a troll...I felt like shouting a bit...catharsis and all that...
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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2112 and Moving Pictures.
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"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 46294 |
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please stop using all caps. Are you screaming at us? All caps post are aggressive. So you disagree with someone, what's the big deal? So someone likes the trio Genesis more. I disagree as well.But there's no need to get all caps angry, throw insults etc. |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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THIS! AND THE ASSERTION THAT GENESIS GOT BETTER AFTER W&W IS THE MOST LUDICROUS STATEMENT EVER MADE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. Micky is Donald Trump nailed on.... |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19178 |
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Yep. This works for me even though signals seems to have strong new wave tendencies as well.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19178 |
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In my opinion I would say the following:
Caress of Steel 2112 (side 1 especially with side two being more art rock/hard rock) A Farewell to Kings Hemispheres Permanent Waves Moving Pictures Signals has pretty strong prog tendencies too and the other albums from the rest of the eighties do to some degree also(ok, maybe not so much Presto) but I don't feel they are as full on prog as the ones I listed above.
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Squonk19 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2015 Location: Darlington, UK Status: Offline Points: 4790 |
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If you plotted their perceived 'progginess' as a histogram, it would very much follow the classic, 'normal distribution' bell-shaped curve for much of their career. By-Tor' got things going on Fly By Night, and that style was built upon with Caress of Steel. The 2112 suite brought it up a notch more, followed by the more intricate and diverse A Farewell to Kings - Xanadu the obvious example. The wonderful Hemispheres was their prog peak for me, especially Side 1 and La Villa Strangiato. Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures maintained some of that, but by Signals that prog ambience was starting to fade, with maybe only Subdivisions providing an echo of those earlier days. After that, the style changed significantly and prog took a back seat, even though there were still gems to be found.
Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels did provide a return to aspects of prog, as a coda to their career, although more on particular tracks than the whole album. I'll concur with earlier comments regarding Rush not being considered 'prog' by many of us at the time we were discovering them, compared to the likes of the Big Six, and only retrospectively did that prog link show more. They were a complex and intelligent, long-format rock trio that countered the more traditional rock bands of the time, and they were a refreshing change to the rather tired styles of many classic rock bands in the late 70s for many of us. |
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Hi,
Nice band, but I do NOT listen to them for "prog" or "progressive". I listen to them because it is outstanding material and very well defined and put together.
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