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siLLy puPPy 
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 Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:22 |
There needs to be a whole line for all billionaires and politiicans! This is exactly what i think of ALL those scumbag MFs!
Edited by siLLy puPPy - November 16 2018 at 16:25
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:28 |
^ Oh I gotta get me one of those ... heck I gotta get several for Xmas gifts, great stocking stuffer!
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:38 |
^ oh hell yeah.. I so want one of those.. well several....several more to take to Italy as xmas gifts for Raff's family.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:38 |
So apparently those are handmade by someone and there's a big backlog-- just ordered one
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:41 |
shifting gears from Trump and the past.. to the future... hate to say i was right but it didn't take long to see i was. Though in all honesty.. you only had to be paying attention to see it coming from a mile away.
orientation week.. pfff... that civil war between progressive and centrist/establishment in the Democratic party isn't even waiting till January to get started.
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micky
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:44 |
 Atavachron wrote:
So apparently those are handmade by someone and there's a big backlog-- just ordered one
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awesome!!! isn't capitalism great... I have to check with the boss.. but i want to order 4.. one for each our thrones here.. and a couple for raff's family... hey.. .darling.. how about that guy (extended family but still....) who had the Mussolini portrait up that freaked me out last year watching over me as i ate that sumptuous feast? Think he would want one!!!
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:47 |
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I guess i should buy stocks in that one! LOL
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:48 |
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* or get a finder's fee from the seller... I'll put in a good word for you when I place my order.
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:52 |
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I don't see an impeachment either, so far there's much less hard evidence than in Watergate (recordings, testimonies, witnesses). Further, if real evidence establishes that Trump or staff privately made illegitimate political deals with foreigners, it would've been before the election. Whereas Nixon did his dirty work while in the WH. So legally here there may not be much of a case. The question will be how it looks, the politics of it, the optics if you will: is pre-election political subversion enough of a turnoff to his supporters, and will that even matter in 2020 or will his moderate supporters be his deathknell?
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Unless something really major turns up, I think impeachment is a bad idea, and the dems would be foolish to push too soon for something like that.
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:56 |
Watch these become collectable like BillyBeer or something. God forbid I actually use it, I think I may put it on a pedestal, a great monument to an appalling moment in history.
I can remember people wearing full Nixon head-masks being chased with sticks in Dolores Park round 'bout 1970.
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 16:58 |
Easy Money wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I don't see an impeachment either, so far there's much less hard evidence than in Watergate (recordings, testimonies, witnesses). Further, if real evidence establishes that Trump or staff privately made illegitimate political deals with foreigners, it would've been before the election. Whereas Nixon did his dirty work while in the WH. So legally here there may not be much of a case. The question will be how it looks, the politics of it, the optics if you will: is pre-election political subversion enough of a turnoff to his supporters, and will that even matter in 2020 or will his moderate supporters be his deathknell? |
Unless something really major turns up, I think impeachment is a bad idea, and the dems would be foolish to push too soon for something like that. |
Yep, no national stomach for it, and better to just get him out in '20.
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Posted: November 16 2018 at 17:03 |
commander in crap? hahaha.. I like that almost as my Toddler in Chief moniker.
I think all but the most militant of Democrat think impeachment is a completely bad idea. As I have long said.. Trump has a greater chance of being impeached by the Republicans in order to try save what is left of their party.. however now that they have lost the House I don't see that happening for there is no chance in hell Democratic leadership impeaches him.. no good comes out of it. Any substantial wrongdoing that might be found my Mueller will likely be the final nail in any chance he to win in 2020.. probably leaving Trump with about 35-40% support.. which means that cute map I just posted is likely to very close to what 2020 might actually look like... but more importantly.... and I'll say it again.. the only thing more scary than losing 2020 are these 4 words
President Michael Richard Pence.
he is truly dangerous in a way Trump's idiocy, bumbling and lack of a genunie political ideology are not..
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Posted: November 17 2018 at 07:25 |
it does seem a bomb is indeed going to fall.. it seems there are a great slew of sealed indictments awaiting unveiling in Federal Court.. and they aint' small fish. Mueller wouldn't be wasting his time on bit players and small fish, 18 months worth, unless he was on the track of some very big fish. The biggest of all perhaps.
The interesting thing is the timing.. many of those sealed indictments date from several months ago... held onto for being quite savy. Not wanting to drop them in the middle of the midterms and be accused of playing poltical games. I suspect that same reasonable posture will apply to the upcoming 2020 election. Though I suspect many have forgotten Mueller in the wake of Kavanaugh and the midterms.. you can bet Mueller hasn't forgotten Trump. I would guess we will start seeing exactly what he is going after, which I think Trump knows already vis a vie the questions he is having to answer for Mueller, in the next several months. Anything later than that risks being caught up in charges, bullsh*t of course but still there, of playing politics with this and used as a tool by Trump in 2020.
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npjnpj
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Posted: November 17 2018 at 17:21 |
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As an outsider, looking at the results of the midterm elections, it doesn’t matter if there has been a blue wave or not, but just the fact of most results being so close means that the support for Donald Trump, despite all that has transpired in the last two years, shows that almost 50% of voters (just imagine the sheer numbers) still support him and his agendas whole heartedly.
This, to my mind, signifies a nation, nay, a superpower, lost and in disgrace. How is the rest of the world ever to trust the USA again in the foreseeable future?
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Posted: November 17 2018 at 17:56 |
^ perhaps you might not.. but strongly suspect most world leaders think of this the same way many of us do.
America simply sh*t the bed in 2016.. it happens.. we are not immune to getting stupid and ignorant. Trump is not a dictator much as he'd like to be and he will soon be gone.. and it will be back to business as usual where we lead .. not through threats and imtimidation.. but through example and the nobleness of the values we as nation were founded on.. even if admittedly.. we ..do sh*t the bed occasionally.
trump is blip.. and i think most recongnize that. Especially leaders in the NK and China.. wait him out and they probably recognize he is a one term and gone President.
as far as your 50-50 notion.. if that were the case there would have been no blue wave in the first place. That blue wave was fed mainly through 2 things.. democratic turnout for once meeting Republican turnout. .for those who identify or lean Democrats outnumber Republicans and most important.. a fracture (we will see if it is a complete and permanent break in the years to come) of the coalition that made up Republican Party. Educated well off suburbanites and uneducated low end economicially rural voters. Surbanites left the Republian party.. not just on the liberal coasts.. but all over the country. The midterms hinted at what some have seen the Republican party becoming.. a regional rump party.
nice article on that today. on a local scale.. but California as the first domino to fall (it was once a very red state) in the continuing political fallout thanks the Republican party making immigration and fear of immigants. ie pandering to white fear, bigotry and racism page 1 in their ideological playbook.
as I've been saying.. the Republican Party is dying.. it will need to be blown up to survive.. yet much like the party in that state.. it will take near extinction and they are a long way (see the ol' Adolf maps) from reaching that if ever which means there will likely never be a blowing up for they will have have their safe areas and who is going to commit career poltical suicide by telling all the party has no clothes and no future pandering to rural whites and fundie christians. What they risk is becoming a regional rump party and permanent oppo party.. that is until they are replaced in our system. by a fully functional NATIONAL 3rd party.
Edited by micky - November 17 2018 at 18:00
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Posted: November 18 2018 at 05:13 |
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^ I just don't agree that the GOP is dying micky. If Trump's presidency showed anything it's the that the GOP are great adaptors and survivalists. Look at all the damage that both parties (Trump and the GOP) have already done together. They will rebound and be even more lethal the next time around I'm afraid.
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Posted: November 18 2018 at 08:39 |
npjnpj wrote:
As an outsider, looking at the results of the midterm elections, it doesn’t matter if there has been a blue wave or not, but just the fact of most results being so close means that the support for Donald Trump, despite all that has transpired in the last two years, shows that almost 50% of voters (just imagine the sheer numbers) still support him and his agendas whole heartedly.
This, to my mind, signifies a nation, nay, a superpower, lost and in disgrace. How is the rest of the world ever to trust the USA again in the foreseeable future?
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I always resist the temptation to indulge in US bashing because....
Who else do we trust then?
Germany, where Merkel's exit is about to leave a frightening vacuum which the far right threatens to fill there too?
UK which did Brexit (LMFAO)?
France with Marine Le Pen?
Turkey which is being wrecked by the politician turned dictator Erdogan? India where Modi is going to do the same?
China whose belligerent leader has appointed himself Premier for life?
That leaves only Canada and Canada for all its positives is no geo politicial heavyweight.
Let's get real; there's a WORLD leadership crisis. And it has been several years in the making. Bannon hit the nail on the head, I am afraid, when he said the 2008 meltdown sowed the seeds for the Trump election. The centrists - and I am a centrist - had a long, long time to fix things and they just dug their heads into the sand like ostriches, determined to protect the corrupt bankers who blew up the system. Pl see the Dirty Money episode on HSBC. There is a point where 'pragmatism' becomes so cynical as to induce vomit. That does not validate things like Brexit/Trump but the establishment shouldn't have waited till voters got that desperate. If you want voters to do the right thing all the time, perhaps you should do the right thing with the power given to you.
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Posted: November 18 2018 at 08:46 |
well Steve I've laid it out pretty clearly why it is. I'd be curious to any example you could give of how the GOP are adaptors.. never mind the great part. There was a great article this morning spelling out the danger the GOP has now.. not years from now.. in losing Texas. Once I digest that fully I might post that here.
The same issues that turned California from bright red, to bright blue, and did the same in other states like Virginia.. are very much in play there. And if the GOP loses Texas .. they are finished as a national party for both the Presidency and the House will be outside their grasp only in the Senate will they remain nationally revelvant.
It seems absurd to think... thus I suspect your skeptism.. nothing new. I was laughed at by some (Brian?) for saying years ago the House was in play thanks to Trump and Texas would soon be. It is now... for 2020. Demographic change is going to kill the Republcan Party.
so much for being adaptive. They have known it would for years but have they 'adapted'.. dropped the divsiivness and fear mongering.. hell no.
I leave off from a quote from that article I posted last night. which you might not have read or you wouldn't be so dismissive of the grave prognosis for the Republican Party. The 'adaptive' Republican Party that has become the party of white identity politics and otherwise ideologically bankrupt with regard to econonic policy and couldn't even think up a Health care replacement plan after having years to do so.. it was all dog whistles and grandstanding 'repeal' promises.. yet at the heart.. they have no ideas or policy..that is if one doesn't count corporate welfare haha
“We hemorrhaged college-educated Republican voters on Tuesday night. The ‘diploma divide’ is a very real thing,” he said. “The smaller it gets, the more monolithic is gets. The whiter it gets. The more populist-nationalist it gets. What you’re seeing in the Republican Party is that it’s the party of white identity politics.”
His advice: “They have to take down the ‘whites only’ sign from the clubhouse door,’’ Sragow says. “And if they’re willing to allow people who aren’t white into the club, they may be able to recover.’’ “I think that the GOP is capable of turning itself around, because it’s a well-established brand,’’ he said. “The problem is, the people who manage the party are going to have to be willing to do that. And by definition, they are the opposite of that. They have no interest in that.”
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Posted: November 18 2018 at 09:06 |
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^ yes you laid out your points well but fact is that the GOP party heads like Senators and Congressman (and that's what really makes up the strength of the party) never fail to keep a united front and still push forward their Nazi agendas. When Cruz can swallow his pride and align with Trump after he called he's father one of JFK's killers and Graham can unite with Trump after Trump treated his best friend McCain like a wimpy guy who dropped his gun and surrendered to the Viet Cong, well that's unity that we'll never see with Dems. Look at the BS Pelosi is going through right now. Is that a united party?
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Posted: November 18 2018 at 10:51 |
SteveG wrote:
^ yes you laid out your points well but fact is that the GOP party heads like Senators and Congressman (and that's what really makes up the strength of the party) never fail to keep a united front and still push forward their Nazi agendas. When Cruz can swallow his pride and align with Trump after he called he's father one of JFK's killers and Graham can unite with Trump after Trump treated his best friend McCain like a wimpy guy who dropped his gun and surrendered to the Viet Cong, well that's unity that we'll never see with Dems. Look at the BS Pelosi is going through right now. Is that a united party?
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but??? There is no but
Steve.. you laid clear exactly why they are doomed.. why once solidly red states have turned blue.. and still others are turning purple.. and yes.. eventually blue.
That united front as you correctly call it means exactly what..
you fall in line and march to the beat.
My point has been.. that marching beat is taking them right off the f**king cliff. And they know it is but as the Republican Party becomes more regional based.. and thus less national.. who are going to be the party leaders that could reverse the party's current course. Those in safe areas whose jobs sucking at the public tit are safe as long as they don't rock the boat. Again as that article notes.. and that is why the Republicans have not addressed a known (for years) future fatal affliction facing the party. It is career poltical suicide for any southern or midwestern Republican to 'step out of line' and tell the party its current path of fear mongering and pandering to its shrinking by the year core electorate of rural white voters is the path to national irrelevance and eventual replacement in our 2 party political system by a 3rd party which has national.. not merely regional appeal. The leaders of the Republican party know all of this.. but in their minds the sh*t really won't hit the fan till they are retired.. classic Republican thinking.. why risk my career to fix something like this.. it will be someone else's down the road.
good luck with that of course.. in the meantime while the Republican Party plugs along as a party of white identity politics they risk losing for good just like they did blacks.. hispanic voters, women, and the college educated for once you lose a voting demographic through alienation.. ask the democrats about this.. it is extermely difficult to get them back.
Edited by micky - November 18 2018 at 10:51
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